No, not imagining things at all.  You could have an engineering degree
from an Ivy League school, a Ph.D. in computational physics from one of
the top 5 graduate schools in the field, sterling recommendations from a
Nobel Prizewinner and another from a Fellow of the Royal Society, 25
years of programming for pay, most recent 5 in the hottest areas of
computing, several products successfully chugging away making money
for you in "the real world."

Doesn't matter.  You'll NEVER prove yourself to a sexist's satisfaction
any more than all the Paul Robesons and George Washington Carvers and
Colin Powells and Toni Morrisons in the world have proved anything to
the racists.

That's just the way it is.  Now.  How do we deal with it?

Preserve your own IP.  Make as much money as possible and save it.
Leverage your technical experience into indespensibility.
Use a male pseudonym when publishing code and helpful advice to
lists.

Develop a set of stock phrases for nay-sayers and sexual harassers:
"tell it to the marines," "I bet you get your ideas about how women
ought to behave at work from your mother,"  and so forth.

You're doing it because you DO.  You don't even have to LIKE it.

When Roosevelt approached Fermi and Einstein about the possibility
of stopping the Nazis by developing the most powerful weapon on
earth...what was the first thing Enrico and Al thought to themselves?

"Will This Make Me 'Happy'?"  "Will I Enjoy This?"  I don't think so.

You do it for the sense of accomplishment, for creating something
where there was nothing before, for the good of humankind, for charity,
for spiritual awareness, for the money, for the good of your family,
for the health of the community...all SORTS of reasons that will keep
you going when the going gets rough.   You know what your reasons are.

Cheryl

On Mon, 21 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  Hi Elizabeth,
>     I don't think you're imagining things...The men you're dealing with most likely 
>don't want to deal with the fact that you are a
>    woman that knows what she's doing...It's kind of a pride thing, if a womans good 
>at computing, then the world must be upside down sort
>    of thing......
>  Most of all these men probably see that you're right but won't admit it....It's not 
>arrogant to say this,it's gotta be said.
>  Anyway you're not alone....
>  Hang in there,
>  Tullya
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