dsmiley commented on code in PR #4073:
URL: https://github.com/apache/solr/pull/4073#discussion_r2724461614


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solr/core/src/java/org/apache/solr/response/BuiltInResponseWriters.java:
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@@ -0,0 +1,96 @@
+/*
+ * Licensed to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) under one or more
+ * contributor license agreements.  See the NOTICE file distributed with
+ * this work for additional information regarding copyright ownership.
+ * The ASF licenses this file to You under the Apache License, Version 2.0
+ * (the "License"); you may not use this file except in compliance with
+ * the License.  You may obtain a copy of the License at
+ *
+ *     http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
+ *
+ * Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software
+ * distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS,
+ * WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied.
+ * See the License for the specific language governing permissions and
+ * limitations under the License.
+ */
+package org.apache.solr.response;
+
+import static org.apache.solr.handler.admin.MetricsHandler.OPEN_METRICS_WT;
+import static 
org.apache.solr.handler.admin.MetricsHandler.PROMETHEUS_METRICS_WT;
+
+import java.util.Collections;
+import java.util.HashMap;
+import java.util.Map;
+import org.apache.solr.common.params.CommonParams;
+
+/**
+ * Registry for built-in response writers in Solr.
+ *
+ * <p>Manages a minimal set of essential response writers that are always 
available, regardless of
+ * core configuration or ImplicitPlugins.json settings. These writers are 
primarily used by
+ * admin/container-level requests that have no associated SolrCore.
+ *
+ * <p>Built-in writers include essential formats needed by admin APIs and core 
functionality:
+ * javabin, json, xml, prometheus, and openmetrics.
+ *
+ * <p>For core-specific requests that need access to the full set of response 
writers (including
+ * csv, geojson, graphml, smile, etc.), use the SolrCore's response writer 
registry which is loaded
+ * from ImplicitPlugins.json and supports ConfigOverlay customizations.
+ */
+public class BuiltInResponseWriters {

Review Comment:
   How about calling this `ResponseWriterRegistry`? Or `ResponseWriters`  
Presently, just "built-in" stuff but I could see one day increasing/changing to 
hold node level plugins that may be registered in advance via solr.xml or 
ServiceLoader.



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solr/core/src/java/org/apache/solr/response/BuiltInResponseWriters.java:
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@@ -0,0 +1,96 @@
+/*
+ * Licensed to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) under one or more
+ * contributor license agreements.  See the NOTICE file distributed with
+ * this work for additional information regarding copyright ownership.
+ * The ASF licenses this file to You under the Apache License, Version 2.0
+ * (the "License"); you may not use this file except in compliance with
+ * the License.  You may obtain a copy of the License at
+ *
+ *     http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
+ *
+ * Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software
+ * distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS,
+ * WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied.
+ * See the License for the specific language governing permissions and
+ * limitations under the License.
+ */
+package org.apache.solr.response;
+
+import static org.apache.solr.handler.admin.MetricsHandler.OPEN_METRICS_WT;
+import static 
org.apache.solr.handler.admin.MetricsHandler.PROMETHEUS_METRICS_WT;
+
+import java.util.Collections;
+import java.util.HashMap;
+import java.util.Map;
+import org.apache.solr.common.params.CommonParams;
+
+/**
+ * Registry for built-in response writers in Solr.
+ *
+ * <p>Manages a minimal set of essential response writers that are always 
available, regardless of
+ * core configuration or ImplicitPlugins.json settings. These writers are 
primarily used by
+ * admin/container-level requests that have no associated SolrCore.
+ *
+ * <p>Built-in writers include essential formats needed by admin APIs and core 
functionality:
+ * javabin, json, xml, prometheus, and openmetrics.
+ *
+ * <p>For core-specific requests that need access to the full set of response 
writers (including
+ * csv, geojson, graphml, smile, etc.), use the SolrCore's response writer 
registry which is loaded
+ * from ImplicitPlugins.json and supports ConfigOverlay customizations.
+ */
+public class BuiltInResponseWriters {
+
+  private BuiltInResponseWriters() {
+    // Prevent instantiation
+  }
+
+  /**
+   * Built-in response writers that are always available.
+   *
+   * <p>Contains only essential formats needed by admin APIs and core 
functionality:
+   *
+   * <ul>
+   *   <li><b>javabin</b> - Binary format, efficient for SolrJ clients
+   *   <li><b>json/standard</b> - JSON format, default for most requests
+   *   <li><b>xml</b> - XML format, provides backward compatibility
+   *   <li><b>prometheus/openmetrics</b> - Required by metrics endpoints
+   * </ul>
+   */
+  private static final Map<String, QueryResponseWriter> BUILTIN_WRITERS;
+
+  static {
+    // Initialize built-in writers that are always available
+    Map<String, QueryResponseWriter> builtinWriters = new HashMap<>(6, 1);

Review Comment:
   Instead lets use `Map.of` which is more modern Java and is especially 
applicable to read-only write once read-many use-cases like here.  



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solr/core/src/java/org/apache/solr/response/BuiltInResponseWriters.java:
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@@ -0,0 +1,96 @@
+/*
+ * Licensed to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) under one or more
+ * contributor license agreements.  See the NOTICE file distributed with
+ * this work for additional information regarding copyright ownership.
+ * The ASF licenses this file to You under the Apache License, Version 2.0
+ * (the "License"); you may not use this file except in compliance with
+ * the License.  You may obtain a copy of the License at
+ *
+ *     http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
+ *
+ * Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software
+ * distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS,
+ * WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied.
+ * See the License for the specific language governing permissions and
+ * limitations under the License.
+ */
+package org.apache.solr.response;
+
+import static org.apache.solr.handler.admin.MetricsHandler.OPEN_METRICS_WT;
+import static 
org.apache.solr.handler.admin.MetricsHandler.PROMETHEUS_METRICS_WT;
+
+import java.util.Collections;
+import java.util.HashMap;
+import java.util.Map;
+import org.apache.solr.common.params.CommonParams;
+
+/**
+ * Registry for built-in response writers in Solr.
+ *
+ * <p>Manages a minimal set of essential response writers that are always 
available, regardless of
+ * core configuration or ImplicitPlugins.json settings. These writers are 
primarily used by
+ * admin/container-level requests that have no associated SolrCore.
+ *
+ * <p>Built-in writers include essential formats needed by admin APIs and core 
functionality:
+ * javabin, json, xml, prometheus, and openmetrics.
+ *
+ * <p>For core-specific requests that need access to the full set of response 
writers (including
+ * csv, geojson, graphml, smile, etc.), use the SolrCore's response writer 
registry which is loaded
+ * from ImplicitPlugins.json and supports ConfigOverlay customizations.
+ */
+public class BuiltInResponseWriters {
+
+  private BuiltInResponseWriters() {
+    // Prevent instantiation
+  }
+
+  /**
+   * Built-in response writers that are always available.
+   *
+   * <p>Contains only essential formats needed by admin APIs and core 
functionality:
+   *
+   * <ul>
+   *   <li><b>javabin</b> - Binary format, efficient for SolrJ clients
+   *   <li><b>json/standard</b> - JSON format, default for most requests
+   *   <li><b>xml</b> - XML format, provides backward compatibility
+   *   <li><b>prometheus/openmetrics</b> - Required by metrics endpoints
+   * </ul>
+   */
+  private static final Map<String, QueryResponseWriter> BUILTIN_WRITERS;
+
+  static {
+    // Initialize built-in writers that are always available
+    Map<String, QueryResponseWriter> builtinWriters = new HashMap<>(6, 1);
+    builtinWriters.put(CommonParams.JAVABIN, new JavaBinResponseWriter());
+    builtinWriters.put(CommonParams.JSON, new JacksonJsonWriter());
+    builtinWriters.put("standard", builtinWriters.get(CommonParams.JSON)); // 
Alias for JSON

Review Comment:
   A separate issue, but I propose we universally remove the alias "standard" 
from all plugin types.  It's such a Solr old-school thing that I don't see 
anyone use.  Solr 11 only, of course.



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solr/core/src/java/org/apache/solr/response/BuiltInResponseWriters.java:
##########
@@ -0,0 +1,96 @@
+/*
+ * Licensed to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) under one or more
+ * contributor license agreements.  See the NOTICE file distributed with
+ * this work for additional information regarding copyright ownership.
+ * The ASF licenses this file to You under the Apache License, Version 2.0
+ * (the "License"); you may not use this file except in compliance with
+ * the License.  You may obtain a copy of the License at
+ *
+ *     http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
+ *
+ * Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software
+ * distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS,
+ * WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied.
+ * See the License for the specific language governing permissions and
+ * limitations under the License.
+ */
+package org.apache.solr.response;
+
+import static org.apache.solr.handler.admin.MetricsHandler.OPEN_METRICS_WT;
+import static 
org.apache.solr.handler.admin.MetricsHandler.PROMETHEUS_METRICS_WT;
+
+import java.util.Collections;
+import java.util.HashMap;
+import java.util.Map;
+import org.apache.solr.common.params.CommonParams;
+
+/**
+ * Registry for built-in response writers in Solr.
+ *
+ * <p>Manages a minimal set of essential response writers that are always 
available, regardless of

Review Comment:
   I think these javadocs are over specified.  IMO it shouldn't speak of cores 
or ImplicitPlugins.  But `@see` links to key methods (that might be in 
SolrCore) is very helpful.
   I've noticed LLMs haven't been good, by and large, on link-ifying 
documentation.  It just puts text.



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solr/core/src/java/org/apache/solr/request/SolrQueryRequest.java:
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@@ -195,16 +196,22 @@ default CloudDescriptor getCloudDescriptor() {
     return getCore().getCoreDescriptor().getCloudDescriptor();
   }
 
-  /** The writer to use for this request, considering {@link CommonParams#WT}. 
Never null. */
+  /**
+   * The writer to use for this request, considering {@link CommonParams#WT}. 
Never null.
+   *
+   * <p>If a core is available, uses the core's response writer registry 
(loaded from
+   * ImplicitPlugins.json with ConfigOverlay support). If no core is available 
(e.g., for
+   * admin/container requests), uses a minimal set of admin-appropriate 
writers.

Review Comment:
   I don't believe in javadocs over-specifying implementation details (like 
added here).  Let us be free to change the implementation details without 
maintaining these docs.



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solr/core/src/java/org/apache/solr/core/SolrCore.java:
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@@ -3148,11 +3116,49 @@ default String getContentType() {
   }
 
   /**
-   * Configure the query response writers. There will always be a default 
writer; additional writers
-   * may also be configured.
+   * Gets a response writer suitable for admin/container-level requests.
+   *
+   * @param writerName the writer name, or null for default
+   * @return the response writer, never null
+   * @deprecated Use {@link
+   *     
org.apache.solr.response.BuiltInResponseWriterRegistry#getWriter(String)} 
instead.
+   */
+  @Deprecated
+  public static QueryResponseWriter getAdminResponseWriter(String writerName) {
+    return 
org.apache.solr.response.BuiltInResponseWriterRegistry.getWriter(writerName);
+  }
+
+  /**
+   * Initializes query response writers. Response writers from {@code 
ImplicitPlugins.json} may also
+   * be configured.
    */
   private void initWriters() {
-    responseWriters.init(DEFAULT_RESPONSE_WRITERS, this);
+    // Build default writers map from implicit plugins
+    Map<String, QueryResponseWriter> defaultWriters = new HashMap<>();
+
+    // Load writers from ImplicitPlugins.json
+    List<PluginInfo> implicitWriters = getImplicitResponseWriters();
+    for (PluginInfo info : implicitWriters) {
+      try {
+        QueryResponseWriter writer =
+            createInstance(
+                info.className,
+                QueryResponseWriter.class,
+                "queryResponseWriter",
+                null,
+                getResourceLoader());

Review Comment:
   I suspect the VelocityResponseWriter needs a SolrResourceLoader (from a 
core).  Any way, we need not concern ourselves with that.



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solr/core/src/java/org/apache/solr/servlet/HttpSolrCall.java:
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@@ -735,8 +736,9 @@ protected void logAndFlushAdminRequest(SolrQueryResponse 
solrResp) throws IOExce
             solrResp.getToLogAsString("[admin]"));
       }
     }
+    // Admin requests have no core, use built-in writers

Review Comment:
   "node/container"



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