I post this article because i want this group more active with a brilliant discussion 
intead of skim cepat kaya yg tak berfaedah tu among the members. Sorry, tak dapat nak 
translate this article coz terlalu pjg.

Events that happened to me as an Ex-Muslim 
by Murtad Mama 

1980 I was born in Malaysia. However, I had dual citizenship - Canadian and Malaysian. 
1994 I decided that I am not a Muslim. 
1995 I took the Lower Secondary School Examinations (PMR) which included Islamic 
Education. 
1994 -1997 Some Muslim students at Convent Kajang Secondary School were trying to 
convince me to practice the Islamic lifestyle. Some of them even approached the 
Islamic Education teacher for help in bringing me back to Islam. Meanwhile, all 
non-Muslim students just respected me for who I am. 
Nov - Dec 1997 I took the Malaysian O-Level Examinations (SPM) that included Islamic 
Education and I got the highest grade possible for Islamic Education. 
June 1998 Universiti Teknologi MARA's Orientation or Brainwashing? 
The first few days I was at Universiti Teknologi MARA, I brainswashed into being good 
Muslim. I wasn't allowed to have contact with family and friends from outside the 
university campus. Everyone was wondering how I was doing my first time away from home 
and I received many calls on my cell phone, which I wasn't allowed answer. Finally, I 
managed to call my mom from a toilet of a mosque. During those few days, I was sleep 
and food deprived. Every women including those who were legally registered as 
non-Muslims were forced to wear the tudung or veil. For a few days, at least those who 
were legally Muslims were forced to listen to lectures on Islam and practice the 
Islamic lifestyle. I said I was menstruating to avoid all the praying, etc. One of the 
senior students that was in charge of programs even threatened those who are 
menstruating. She said she would "check us" but I was lucky she didn't do so. The last 
night of this so-called orientation, I was forced to stay up all night in a
 mosque doing Islamic rituals. Since I lied about menstruating, I didn't have to do 
much. However, I was tested to do a few Islamic rituals (such a memorizing Koranic 
verses in Arabic!) which I failed. Thus, I was threatened to be sent to compulsory 
Islamic classes during my whole stay at the university (which didn't happen). Anyway, 
I had a few hours of sleep on the floor in that mosque. In the morning, everything was 
over and I had to take an English placement test. During the whole so-called 
orientation, I frequently broke down into tears, which was common among students. 

June 1998 � June 1999 The PETRONAS scholars who I was studying with in Universiti 
Teknologi MARA found out that I wasn�t a Muslim. As a result, many of the Muslim ones 
said nasty things to me such as, �Your parents brought you up wrong and now you have 
to follow us in regards to Islam�. In addition, they tried to convince me to practice 
the Islamic lifestyle. They made me feel horrible. I recall my mom sending me an 
e-card saying that it okay to be different - to show her support during this difficult 
time. In addition, the government required me to take even more Islamic Education in 
university. 
One day in October 1998 The Date police got us 
I went to the Shah Alam lake garden with Amin and we kissed each other. Unfortunately, 
a "park authority" caught us. I thought he was a policeman since his uniform was 
similar to a policemen. We panicked and surrendered our IDs before we realized that he 
was not a policeman. He said that if he informs our university that we were kissing, 
we would be expelled and our scholarship to study in the USA would be taken away. He 
gave us a few options which included going to "therapy" in a mosque, reporting the 
incident to our parents or turning us over to the university for disciplinary action. 
I was all for getting our parents involved. Finally, he spoke to Amin personally about 
a bribing him. We paid him RM 50 each and never heard from him since. After speaking 
to appropriate people, I realized that this "park authority" didn't have the right to 
charge us with anything because he didn't have four male Muslims to witness the 
kissing. We forgot about the issue for years until the "date
 police" upgraded their techniques and it made news in Canada! Here is a short article 
from the MetroToday newpaper. 



December 1998 PETRONAS Orientation at PERMATA 
PETRONAS had an orientation for all their scholars that took their SPM in 1997. 
Students registered as Muslims were made sure to go to the praying room, even early in 
the morning, to perform Muslim rituals. As usual, I pretended to be menstruating to 
avoid this. I brought a lot of sanitary pads to put on my desk in my room just for 
show. In addition, everyone, including those registered as non-Muslims, were forced to 
attend a lecture about Islam. I spent my time writing love letters for Amin and I know 
one of my non-Muslim friends was writing a letter for her boyfriend too. During this 
lecture, I was forced to wear the tudung or veil. 

August 1999 I left Malaysia to study in Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, USA. When I 
arrived in the USA, Amin from Georgia Tech came to greet me at the Albany airport and 
we hugged each other. In addition, later on we were kissing each other. As a result, a 
Malaysian Muslim threatened Amin that he would get us into trouble if we do not 
practice the Islamic lifestyle. I was very sad and cried because I thought I couldn't 
even have freedom from religion in the USA! Finally one day, I told the International 
Student Advisor about the incident and she said that nobody has the right to force 
someone via threats to practise a particular religion on campus. 
Jan 2000 My in-laws found out that Amin and I were not Muslims. They asked PETRONAS to 
bring me back to Malaysia for faith rehab. 
Feb 2000 The PETRONAS student advisor and an ustaz from the Malaysian Students 
Department at the Malaysian embassy came to my university. They threatened to drag me 
back to Malaysia if they were to find out that I was really not Muslim. 
Early 2001 When A.H., a PETRONAS scholar found out that we (myself and Amin) we 
thinking of getting married, she wrote an offensive email to us both which mentioned 
that Amin should reconsider marrying me because I would bring him to hell. 
April 2001 Canadian officials failed to protect another Canadian Citizen from a Muslim 
country 
I called the Canadian Citizens in distress line at the NY Canadian Consulate for help 
in regards to the threat from PETRONAS and running away to Canada. From my point of 
view, the people I spoke to were not understanding and offered no help. I was 
dissapointed since the Malaysian embassy surely didn't have a problem sending people 
over to my university to make sure I was Muslim but the Canadian Consulate couldn't 
care less whether I would be dragged back to Malaysia for torture. What is the value 
of the Canadian Passport that was issued to me? 

May 05, 2001 Amin and I ran away to Canada for freedom from religion. 
June 2001 I joined the Humanist Association of Toronto (HAT) 
October 2001 I finally came across other Ex-Muslims online and shared my views. 
March 2002 I am no longer a Malaysian citizen. 
August 08, 2002 I joined the Faith Freedom International forum. 
Early 2002 I joined the Apostates of Islam administration team. 
Jan � Feb 2003 I wrote my testimony of leaving Islam. 
March � April 2003 I realized that Islam could be interpreted and practiced as a 
wonderful religion if Muslims wanted to. 
March 30th, 2003 I joined the Apostates of Islam forum. 
March-April 2003 I created the 1st Ex-Muslims' Survey. 
May 2003 My testimony of leaving Islam was published in Leaving Islam: Apostates Speak 
Out edited by Ibn Warraq 
May 9th, 2003 I joined the exmuslim.com forum 
May 17th 2003 I resigned from the Apostates of Islam administration team. 
Middle of 2003 I created Murtads from Malaysia 
Middle of 2003 I started receiving hate emails from Muslims including death threats. 
Middle of 2003 Malaysian Muslims started gossiping about me online. 
September 2003 Amin's parents asked me and Amin to get married the Islamic way despite 
knowing that we are not Muslims. Plus, we were already legally married. 
Sept 2003 � Dec 2003 MENJ started writing web pages about me online. 
November 2003 I became a HAT Steering Commitee member and worked on starting a real 
life support for people who have problems leaving organized religions. 
Dec 2003 I wrote an article about MENJ to ask people to consider whether he is a 
reliable source for information about me. 

I was interviewed for an article in a magazine because I am an Ex-Muslim 


I removed my testimony of leaving Islam from the Internet 


Jan 15th 2004 I offered to help the Canadian Islamic Congress with combatting the 
prejudice and discrimination that Muslims face in Canada. 
Jan 25th 2004 I left the Apostates of Islam forum. 
Feb 3rd 2004 I offered to help the Muslim Canadian Congress (e.g. with their petitions 
and proposals) since I support many of their policies which overlap with the Humanist 
organizations' policies. 
Feb 7th 2004 The Coping Without Religion Support Group starts to meet once a week. 
Feb 14th 2004 Amin and I broke up. For those who think Amin is an Apostate because of 
me, now he should return to Islam, right? 
May 24th 2004 The Murtads from Malaysia forum was launched. 
June 4th 2004 The Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada contacted Murtads from 
Malaysia asking for information. 
June 5th 2004 An article about Ex-Muslims was published in the Saturday Night 
Magazine. My work with Murtads from Malaysia was mentioned in the article. 
July 22nd 2004 I was interviewed by Radio Australia in regards to Murtads from 
Malaysia.


                
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