Could you provide an example with a signature and some other field[s]?

All the attached PDFs contain AcroForm dictionaries... weird.  I suppose 
GS/Distiller could be building an erroneous AcroForm dictionary, one that was 
missing fields.  

That doesn't explain why iText magically functions properly after adding a 
dummy field.  I don't think it looks through the PDF for fields when you add 
one... even the first one.  I admit my code base is getting behind the times 
however (I'm still working with a pre-1.4.0, "paulo155").


--Mark Storer 
  Senior Software Engineer 
  Cardiff.com

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Robert Esterer
> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:12 AM
> To: 'Post all your questions about iText here'
> Subject: Re: [iText-questions] NeedAppearances & Fields
> 
> 
> Thanks for the reply Paulo, but I'm not really sure if the 
> PDF is broken.
> 
> For my last tests I've been using the EPS example file 
> provided by Adobe:
> http://support.adobe.com/devsup/devsup.nsf/docs/53339.htm
> And according to their pdfmark
> reference(http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/en/acroba
> t/sdk/pdf/pdf_
> creation_apis_and_specs/pdfmarkReference.pdf) it seems like 
> the Acrobat is
> not repairing the PDF but generation the display information 
> just like it is
> supposed to be:
> "NeedAppearances boolean, set to true to indicate that when 
> the document is
> opened, traverse all widgets to generate their display and 
> add them to the
> Fields array."
> And once it did that it prompts you to save the finished PDF.
> 
> Here is how I've been testing it:
> I insert the EPS int oword and then either convert it to PS 
> and then PDF
> using ghostscript or send it directly to the distiller from word. The
> resulting PDF behaves the same in both cases.
> Then I try to find any fields in the PDF using iText and come 
> up empty. I
> tried:
> .getAcroFields().getBlankSignatureNames()   
> .getAcroFields().getFields();
> And http://itext.ugent.be/library/question.php?id=31
> 
> Once I do that ugly .createEmpty(...) trick iText is able to 
> find and sign
> them. But the resulting PDF stil lacks the display information for the
> remaining empty fields.
> 
> Also, the behaviour is the same with and without the 
> NeedApperances flag in
> the eps. iText can't find the fields in either case unless I 
> use that trick!
> 
> The flag only affect how the Acrobat displays the fields. 
> Even without the
> flag the fields are visible and usable in the PDF, just not 
> listed in the
> Signatures tab.
> 
> I attached two EPS files created from a simple one page Word document
> containing a single signature field. One is with 
> NeedApperances and one
> without. And the resulting PDFs using ghostscript (gs) and 
> distiller(dist).
> 
> I'm currently working my way through various pdfmarks 
> resources in hope of
> finding a workaround for it, maybe by supplying all the 
> required display
> information with the EPS.
> 
> And of course I'm still open for any suggestions.
> 
> -Robert
> 
> PS: Outlook crashed three times while seinding this mail, so 
> please excuse
> any duplicates.
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im 
> Auftrag von Paulo
> Soares
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. November 2006 16:53
> An: Post all your questions about iText here
> Betreff: Re: [iText-questions] NeedAppearances & Fields
> 
> You have a broken PDF. I'm quite sure that your PDF doesn't have the
> AcroForm dictionary. Acrobat manages to reconstruct it from 
> the page field
> annotations but iText can't do it.
> 
> Paulo 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> > Robert Esterer
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 3:12 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [iText-questions] NeedAppearances & Fields
> > 
> > Hello,
> > It's me again with more problems regarding NeedAppearances.
> > Yesterday I thought removing it would solve my problem 
> (thanks to Mark 
> > Storer for the code and the warning about it being
> > document-level) and it
> > indeed makes the new signature visible but it also makes 
> all the empty 
> > fields invisble in the "Signatures" tab (Acrobat).
> > I've spent some time looking at what the Acrobat does and 
> what iText 
> > does and just wanted to check if I understood it right.
> > 
> > I have a PDF with 2+ empty signature fields. The PDF was created by 
> > adding eps files with pdfmarks code in an office document and 
> > converting them with distiller/ghostscript. The resulting 
> PDF contains 
> > empty signature fields.
> > 
> > BUT the PDF also contains the NeedAppearances flag. This causes the 
> > Acrobat to ask me if I want to save the document whenever I 
> close it 
> > (even if I do nothing). Doing so causes the Acrobat to rebuild all 
> > signature fields. The resulting PDF looks identical to the 
> old one but 
> > a) doesn't contain the NeedApperances Flag and b) now 
> contains "real" 
> > objects (whatever that means).
> > The saved document works fine with iText.
> > 
> > BUT the unsaved (= newly created) PDF doesn't work with itext.
> > One problem is that I can't seem to find any form fields
> > (.getFields() and
> > .getBlankSignatureNames() are epmty).
> > Once I add an empty object using:
> > PdfFormField field = PdfFormField.createEmpty(stp.getWriter());
> > stp.addAnnotation(field, 1);
> > stp.close();
> > I can find all fields just fine.
> > The other problem is that once I fill one field I have two possible 
> > outcomes (both of which are bad):
> > a) I remove the NeedAppearance flag -> the new signature is 
> visible, 
> > all other dissapear
> > B) I leave the NeedAppearance and have an "invisible" signature.
> > 
> > So, in order to make it work with iText I have to iterate 
> through all 
> > fields and rebuild them into "real" objects before I save 
> sign the PDF 
> > for the first time!?
> > For now I can probably do this by reading the old signature fields 
> > properties, deleting it and creating a new one with the old ones 
> > properties (haven't tried it yet).
> > But this won't cover other types of fiels. So the million dollar 
> > question
> > is:
> > Is there a way to tell iText to rebuild the appearance for 
> all objects 
> > like the Acrobat does when you save it?
> > 
> > Sorry for all the long text but this problem really got me 
> worked up 
> > :(
> > 
> > Any tips would be appreciated,
> > -Robert
> > 
> 
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