twain,

twain wrote:
> But what do you mean with "document appear different"? If I remove an
> excluded(from hash computation) pdf dictionary entry the document doesn'
> appear more different than if I remove an unsigned attr. 
> 
> Pdf dictionary entry doesn't change the "appearance" of a pdf(intended as
> visual appearance). If adobe reader allowed other exclusions, the two
> techniques would be equivalent.

The actual exclusion of regions from the signed byte range happens based on
offsets and lengths of file segments, a mechanism completely unaware of the
contents of the non-included file segments.

But even something as innocent as a signature dictionary entry might contain
something that can be read as an individual PDF object and (if an xref entry
points into that entry) give rise to a changed document appearance.

Somewhat dirty, but possible.

Regards,   Michael

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