Axel, before I start don't get me wrong here I can appreciate that Hauppauge might be giving a lot of support to the ivtv (and other) driver Projects.
I am *very* grateful for all the hard work that lots of people have put into this project but from a _user_ pov it is very awkward to have incompatible revisions. One of the main reasons for this is linked to your comment: > Did you order you PVR-x50/Nova-T by model? There _is_ a model > number attached to the cards. Yes there is a model number and no I didn't order by it, hindsight (being the perfect science that it is) tells me that I should have found exactly which model card would work with the kernel I was planning to use and order that appropriately. I didn't because while I did do some research I didn't do enough and while that is no ones fault but my own, what *would* have helped in this would be if there was a simple list somewhere such as: Hauppauge PVR-350 model xxx fully supported ivtv v0.x.x onwards (uses tuners x,y,z) Hauppauge PVR-350 model xxx partly supported ivtv v0.x.x onwards (uses tuners x,y,z) Hauppauge PVR-150 model xxx very basic support ivtv v0.x.x onwards (uses tuners x,y,z) Hauppauge PVR-250 model xxx fully supported ivtv v0.x.x onwards (uses tuners x,y,z) Etc. Instead of that there are lists of what chips are supported, which is great *once* you have got the card and plugged it in, not a lot of use when you are ordering it. <snip> > > Hauppauge's only get out is they don't claim that their cards work > > with Linux so any "it doesn't work" complaints can be met with > > "well we never said it did". > > Well, in the case of the new Nova-T, the author has a > hauppauge.com address, so this definitely not true. He also > submitted the driver into Open Source last summer almost at > the same time the cards hit the shelves. Axel, it is true, I have the box here for the Nova-T and it says: Sxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (xxx's are where Scan placed the 'Warranty void if removed sticker') PC with xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (min.800MHz) or compatible CPU Microsoft Windows XP <snip> Internet Explorer 5.5 or higher <snip> A quick look at the Hauppauge website http://www.hauppauge.com/Pages/products/data_novatpci.html says: System Requirements PC with PentiumR III Processor - 733Mhz or faster, 64MB RAM and 64MB disk space minimum recommended MicrosoftR WindowsR XP/Me/2000/98SE <snip rest> Please prove me wrong and point out where in that it says Linux is supported! Ok so someone from Hauppauge very nicely (and I am *very* grateful for that fact) provided the driver but Hauppauge *themselves* don't say they support Linux so no one has a *right* to a refund (although most companies would replace the card on a goodwill basis they would not *have* to as it would work as it was advertised). > And while there has been no direct involvement in PVR x50 > driver development by Hauppauge, Hauppauge has been > supporting ivtv as good as possible for the company > (including going to Conexant to ask for releasing NDA'd > documentation to the developers of ivtv). > > IMHO Hauppauge is doing much better than some other N times > larger companies that officially support Linux, and had Linux > users wait for _years_ to get support (like Intel for centrino). As I said before this was *NOT* started as a go at Hauppauge just a statement that due to Hauppauge changing the model it was awkward. > > > The same thing happens a couple of decades with VW Golf ;) > > Yes but you didn't order a Golf expecting to get one model > > and get a totally different model that you couldn't drive without a > > whole load of extra training and a load more grief did you. ;-) > > If it were possible to order "a Golf" w/o any further > specifications, chances are that you would expect an > automatic red Golf running on normal gas, and you might get a > manual geared pink coloured Golf running on Diesel and would > probably sit on the wrong side of the car ;) Hehe, the problem comes when you thought there was only one type of golf and that was the red one, drive it to the forecourt and stick 40l of unleaded in.... ;-) > I agree with you that rebranding the same label is not nice > from a technical POV, but that's the market system we live > in, and neither we, nor Hauppauge gives the rules of this > game. Well that's it at the end of the day isn't it. Regards David ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag-&-drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl _______________________________________________ ivtv-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ivtv-devel
