If most of us agree that we don't mind people profiting from our code in the form of a programmed pics, it's ok for me. I just think this is a false issue, because there's always a way to tell about it. Now I withdraw myself from this topic, and let you deal with the juridic part :)
Seb 2008/10/15 Eur van Andel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 15 Oct 2008, at 07:59 , Sebastien Lelong wrote: > > Aaah.... THE famous question, I was waiting for it :) > > > Actually, it is not that bad. We just declare it moot. > > The code we distribute is high-level. That is the intellectual property. > Compiling it makes machine code which nobody can read. > We don't mind people profiting from our code IN THE FORM OF PROGRAMMED > PICS. > > We DO mind profiting from our high level code as in a "PIC programming > environment", without attribution. > > As long as we explicitly state that profit from selling programmed PICs is > OK, we have no problem. We can put anything we want in this license. It is > our code. > > Since the JAL code itself is the main intellectual property, there is no > such thing as a "binary form". Either the code is there, in JAL form, or > not. If it is, the attribution should be there. If it isn't, it shouldn't. > > So, does the "binary form" include a programmed PIC? How could it > reproduces it ? Printing it ? Not enough memory, etc... Yeah, open-source > licenses sucks, they just did not considered our sweet little PICs... > > No, it DOES NOT include a programmed PIC. If we state this, we are done. > > > What is the real problem ? I mean, when people face this problem, do they > want to actually distribute it *without* any license, that is, *hiding* it ? > Or do they *want* to reproduce it, but they just can't they don't know how > to do it ? > > People might make a fancy JAL editor and profit from it, distributing our > code with it, claiming copyright on this code and forbidding US to change > it. That is why we need a license. > > Now consider this. Do you think all binary executables, open-source inside, > reproduce their license notice ? No. Does the place where people actually > get thesebinaries have a way (whatever it is) to reproduce their license. > Yes. > > So, if the problem is really that you can't know where you could reproduce > this license, I'd say: on a website, on a documentation, on a tarball/zip, > on a bill,... There's always a way to tell the world: "I've used jallib, > it's great". > > I agree. > > Explicitly stating that programmed PICs or hex files do not constitute > "distribution in binary form" solves this. > > > > > > > > Isn't it ? > > > Seb > > > 2008/10/14 Eur van Andel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> On 14 Oct 2008, at 18:12 , Sebastien Lelong wrote: >> >> Hi guys, >> >> In order to release, we need to add a LICENSE file to the repository (and >> even without releasing). I've taken the template from OSI ( >> http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php) and tried to adapt >> it. I've committed it to the repos, at the root (same level as /tools). >> >> Could you please guys have a look at this important file, and give >> feedback about the content ? >> >> >> I hate license talk, but this has to be said: >> >> # Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright >> notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the >> documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. >> >> >> That binary form, does that include a programmed PIC? A code protected >> PIC? >> >> I couldn't care less about licenses, so if we declare (and we have the >> right to do that!) that a burned PIC does NOT count as binary distribution, >> than I see no problem. >> >> PIC code is machine language, that is not even assembler. Nothing we do >> here can be reverse-engineered from a PIC, so to hell with it. >> >> >> --- >> ir EE van Andel [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.fiwihex.nl >> Fiwihex B.V. Wierdensestraat 74, NL7604BK Almelo, Netherlands >> tel+31-546-491106 fax+31-546-491107 >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > --- > > ir EE van Andel [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.fiwihex.nl > > Fiwihex B.V. Wierdensestraat 74, NL7604BK Almelo, Netherlands > > tel+31-546-491106 fax+31-546-491107 > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "jallib" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jallib?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
