If most of us agree that we don't mind people profiting from our code in the
form of a programmed pics, it's ok for me. I just think this is a false
issue, because there's always a way to tell about it. Now I withdraw myself
from this topic, and let you deal with the juridic part :)

Seb


2008/10/15 Eur van Andel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On 15 Oct 2008, at 07:59 , Sebastien Lelong wrote:
>
> Aaah.... THE famous question, I was waiting for it :)
>
>
> Actually, it is not that bad. We just declare it moot.
>
> The code we distribute is high-level. That is the intellectual property.
> Compiling it makes machine code which nobody can read.
> We don't mind people profiting from our code IN THE FORM OF PROGRAMMED
> PICS.
>
> We DO mind profiting from our high level code as in a "PIC programming
> environment", without attribution.
>
> As long as we explicitly state that profit from selling programmed PICs is
> OK, we have no problem. We can put anything we want in this license. It is
> our code.
>
> Since the JAL code itself is the main intellectual property, there is no
> such thing as a "binary form". Either the code is there, in JAL form, or
> not. If it is, the attribution should be there. If it isn't, it shouldn't.
>
> So, does the "binary form" include a programmed PIC? How could it
> reproduces it ? Printing it ? Not enough memory, etc... Yeah, open-source
> licenses sucks, they just did not considered our sweet little PICs...
>
> No, it DOES NOT include a programmed PIC. If we state this, we are done.
>
>
> What is the real problem ? I mean, when people face this problem, do they
> want to actually distribute it *without* any license, that is, *hiding* it ?
> Or do they *want* to reproduce it, but they just can't they don't know how
> to do it ?
>
> People might make a fancy JAL editor and profit from it, distributing our
> code with it, claiming copyright on this code and forbidding US to change
> it. That is why we need a license.
>
> Now consider this. Do you think all binary executables, open-source inside,
> reproduce their license notice ? No. Does the place where people actually
> get thesebinaries have a way (whatever it is) to reproduce their license.
> Yes.
>
> So, if the problem is really that you can't know where you could reproduce
> this license, I'd say: on a website, on a documentation, on a tarball/zip,
> on a bill,... There's always a way to tell the world: "I've used jallib,
> it's great".
>
> I agree.
>
> Explicitly stating that programmed PICs or hex files do not constitute
> "distribution in binary form" solves this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Isn't it ?
>
>
> Seb
>
>
> 2008/10/14 Eur van Andel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> On 14 Oct 2008, at 18:12 , Sebastien Lelong wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> In order to release, we need to add a LICENSE file to the repository (and
>> even without releasing). I've taken the template from OSI (
>> http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php) and tried to adapt
>> it. I've committed it to the repos, at the root (same level as /tools).
>>
>> Could you please guys have a look at this important file, and give
>> feedback about the content ?
>>
>>
>> I hate license talk, but this has to be said:
>>
>> # Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright
>> notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the
>> documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution.
>>
>>
>> That binary form, does that include a programmed PIC? A code protected
>> PIC?
>>
>> I couldn't care less about licenses, so if we declare (and we have the
>> right to do that!) that a burned PIC does NOT count as binary distribution,
>> than I see no problem.
>>
>> PIC code is machine language, that is not even assembler. Nothing we do
>> here can be reverse-engineered from a PIC, so to hell with it.
>>
>>
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>> tel+31-546-491106 fax+31-546-491107
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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>
> ir EE van Andel [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://www.fiwihex.nl
>
> Fiwihex B.V. Wierdensestraat 74, NL7604BK Almelo, Netherlands
>
> tel+31-546-491106 fax+31-546-491107
>
>
>
> >
>

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