Hi all,

Yes, recently I purchased this logic analyzer. In combination with the software 
it is really handy. I solved some IIC problems with it.

And for Hans. I ported the sample program to a PIC16F1827 and have sent it 
directly to you.

Kind regards,

Rob

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Van: [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Pinhead 
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Onderwerp: Re: [jallib] DAIKIN REMOTE


Yes, indeed, but less portable.

Anyway, I always had driver trouble with those kind of devices and finally 
ended up buying a Scanalogic one.



Le 04-09-23 à 12:19, vsurducan a écrit :
There is something cheaper for debugging data. It worth more than a Tektronix 
MSO4104 with logic analyzer but without having decoding card....
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002399378513.html

On Mon 4 Sep 2023, 12:46 PM David VB, 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi,

In case you didn't know, this cute little device enables you to retrieve the 
codes in hex format of IR emitter

DSO TC-3

It's inexpensive (around 65 €) and receives much appraisal in the reviews I've 
seen so far.
It is also a portable basic oscilloscope, signal generator and component tester

There are several videos on YouTube that you can search for, and it is 
available from Elektor, Amazon, AliExpress etc....

Hope this helps....

Le dimanche 3 septembre 2023 à 19:23:27 UTC+2, Rob CJ a écrit :
Hi Hans,

Your plan is to send Daikin commands to your airconditioning and you need some 
software to get the commands that you need?

I think the commands you need can be found on the internet (you will nog be the 
first person who wants to do that).

If you have the commands from the internet, then the only thing remaining is 
sending out the data according to the protocol, correct?

I found this by Googlw: https://github.com/blafois/Daikin-IR-Reverse or 
https://www.instructables.com/Reverse-engineering-of-an-Air-Conditioning-control/
[https://content.instructables.com/FKG/HT5J/HRTWKE84/FKGHT5JHRTWKE84.jpg?auto=webp&frame=1&width=2100]<https://www.instructables.com/Reverse-engineering-of-an-Air-Conditioning-control/>
Reverse Engineering Air Conditioner IR Remote Control 
Protocol<https://www.instructables.com/Reverse-engineering-of-an-Air-Conditioning-control/>
Reverse Engineering Air Conditioner IR Remote Control Protocol: Hi, this is my 
first instructable, hope you like it. To get into electronics I chose a home 
automation project: a system allowing me to control and program both air 
conditioner units in my flat. In this instructable I show how I got to understa…
www.instructables.com<http://www.instructables.com>

So when you have the commands you can use the software you already created to 
send the data out.

Is my assumption correct or is it something else you want to achieve?

Thanks.

Kind regards,

Rob


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Aan: jallib <[email protected]>
Onderwerp: Re: [jallib] DAIKIN REMOTE
Okay Rob.
 After 4 days of struggling and a mess of results, I followed my wife's advice. 
I'm going to start with the old graphics approach.
 Make an audio recording, greatly enlarge and print it and then write down the 
series of zeros and ones
. For example, I made my circuit earlier and last winter it switched the air 
conditioners on and off according to the program as heating.
 Remains with me the respect for the programs you all can make.
regards
Hans

Op donderdag 31 augustus 2023 om 18:48:01 UTC+2 schreef Rob CJ:
Hi Hans,

What you could do is modify the NEC decoder library and change the bit times 
and the number of bits. Since you know which bit time is 1 and which is 0 this 
should be douable.

The NEC prototol also starts with a pulse more or less the same as the Daikin, 
followed by bytes of data and a stop bit.

You find the info in the library. The protocol is as follows.

-- Specification of NEC IR protocol:
-- Logical '0': A 562.5 us pulse burst followed by a 562.5 us space,
--              with a total transmit time of 1.125 ms
-- Logical '1': A 562.5 us pulse burst followed by a 1.6875ms space,
--              with a total transmit time of 2.25 ms
-- *) Start with 9 ms leading pulse burst (16 times the pulse burst length used
--    for a logical data bit) followed by a a 4.5 ms space.
-- *) 8-bit address for the receiving device or 16 bit for the extended protocol
-- *) 8-bit logical inverse of the address or high byte for the extended 
protocol.
-- *) 8-bit command.
-- *) 8-bit logical inverse of the command.
-- *) Final 562.5 us pulse burst to signify the end of message transmission.
-- *) The four bytes of data bits are each sent least significant bit first.
-- *) After a command is tranmitted and the key on the remote control is still
--    pressed only a repeat message is sent consisting of a start pulse of
--    9 ms, followed by a 2.25 ms space.

Kind regards,

Rob


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Aan: jallib <[email protected]>
Onderwerp: Re: [jallib] DAIKIN REMOTE
The remote control read on a KY-022 is HIGH at rest.
1. 350 us low
2. 120 us high
3. Then always the 19 bytes burst = 450 us, 0 =350 and 1 =1190
4. Followed by 19 bytes of which the first 4 are always equal 17,218,39,0

I am now reading this out in an audio program and then puzzle the matter out.
Is this a way for someone who handles pics ?? / Yes, for a klutz like me it is. 
Unless some Jal_scholar can help me with a program that just reads that array 
of values.


Op dinsdag 29 augustus 2023 om 19:44:02 UTC+2 schreef hans:
This info is not correct for my units but helped me to understand. 
https://github.com/blafois/Daikin-IR-Reverse

Op dinsdag 29 augustus 2023 om 19:31:49 UTC+2 schreef hans:
Hi Rob
Thank you.
NEC is therefore:
-- Logical '0': A 562.5 us pulse burst followed by a 562.5 us space,
-- with a total transmit time of 1,125 ms
-- Logical '1': A 562.5 us pulse burst followed by a 1.6875ms space,
-- with a total transmit time of 2.25 ms

My system currently works with:
-- Logical '0': usec_delay(450) pulse burst followed by a usec_delay(350) space,
-- with a total transmit time of 800
-- Logical '1': usec_delay(450pulse burst followed by a usec_delay(1190) space,
-- with a total transmit time of 1640

Some publications mention 500 followed by 440 or 1300 uS
If I am able to read the different ranges of the remote control, I think I can 
get further.
regards
Hans

Op dinsdag 29 augustus 2023 om 18:43:48 UTC+2 schreef Rob CJ:
Hi Hans,

What I see on Internet about the Daikin protocol is that the message length is 
not always the same and that is not the same as the NEC protocol which has a 
fixed length.

But I may be wrong. I attached the two files to this discussion.

Kind regards,

Rob

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I think NEC is the same system and am therefore looking for the libs for this. 
I can't handle the Gitthub . Where can I find the libs
16F877a_nec_rc_decode.jalr and the nec_rc_decoder.jal

Op maandag 28 augustus 2023 om 20:46:19 UTC+2 schreef hans:
Hello Rob,
Searching the internet is my basic approach. What I found doesn't work for me.
I now know what a bit looks like and I know its structure.
  I would now like to have a program that can read those bits concatenated into 
bytes I have no idea how I would go about doing that.
regards
Hans

Op maandag 28 augustus 2023 om 19:04:20 UTC+2 schreef Rob CJ:
Hi Hans,

Maybe look on the internet if people already figured this out. I saw there is 
some info there but not sure if that is the info you are looking for.

BTW. A tip for your program. You are declaring an array with constant values as 
var. You can save RAM memory by defining the array as const. You have way more 
const memory than var memory.

Kind regards,

Rob

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Aan: jallib <[email protected]>
Onderwerp: [jallib] DAIKIN REMOTE

Daikin air conditioner remote control.
I have two daikins that are operated with infrared. After hours of puzzling, 
I've come to the point where I can turn them both on and off in the heating 
position. I would also like to know the other functions, but I dread all that 
work.
I read the remote control with a scope and then figure out the values.
Is there anyone who has already done this?
Otherwise I would like to have a system to read the signals from the remote 
control.
regards
Hans
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