Yes, for some time, I bought from Farnell, but one day, they stopped serving me because as an hobbyist I didn't have a VAT number. Maybe it has changed now, but I do not look at their website anymore.
As for TME, I know them, see their promotions, but never gave it a try (yet). Le mercredi 3 avril 2024 à 21:19:04 UTC+2, vsurducan a écrit : > Some components can be found at TME and Farnell. Analog Devices embargo > components from Digikey or Mouser only. DIP is history even for hobby. Only > vintage electronics use DIP and vacuum tubes, which are nice. :) > > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2024, 20:38 David VB <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Rob, >> >> Thanks for the tip >> >> When you buy form Digikey.NL or Mouse.NL (or any european domain), custom >> duties and taxes are already included in the displayed price. >> The only thing to add is the VAT (21% in Belgium) if you buy as an >> individual. >> And be sure to buy for at least 50 €, to get free shipping. >> Digikey is usually a bit cheaper than Mouser, but with Mouser, the parcel >> usually arrives one day earlier (Fedex) >> What's interesting with those resellers is that the price is depending of >> the quantity and rapidly goes down... >> Example: When buying a PIC reference I still don't have in stock, I buy 2 >> in DIP-package (for the breaboard) and then 25 in SOIC or SSOP for my >> projects. The price is then ridicously low. >> Sometimes I do not even buy DIP's anymore, and use SOIC on a little >> DIP-adapter board as you can find on AliExpress which can then be use on >> breadboards >> >> So, feel comfortable to buy from them: their prices are unbeatable, and >> there are no hidden costs >> >> I also know about Reichelt and regurlarly buy from them too, especially >> when they have components in their "Sale" list: they are then sometimes >> cheaper than on the "big" distributors. And they have a great customer >> service: I once bought a defective device, and they replaced it >> immediately, for free, without making any trouble. >> >> Conrad is also available in Belgium, but their price tags have >> sky-rocketted, and I do not even spend my time to take them into >> comparison. I only search on their site for things I do not find on the >> other shops. >> >> Be sure to also test ELV.DE They sell some items (especially kits and >> modules) you will not find elsewhere. Website in German or Austrian >> only.... >> >> Back to the CLB subject: these peripherals are totally new. The 16F131xx >> family is their first implementation. They look incredibly powerful and >> easy to use, with the help of the synthesiser that allows you to create the >> logic model either graphically or by importing a Verilog file. What >> remains unclear for me is how to program the PIC with this logical model, >> since only the input and output, and some general configuration registers >> are available to the user. The logical design itself (output of the >> synthesizer) is a set of files from which some is/are include during the >> programming ("burning") phase, along with the hex file, but I still do not >> know how to do that.... >> >> I still have some documentation to read and try. >> >> (BTW, I think that for this CLB subject, it should be more advisabe to >> publish in the jallist group, because it is not directly linked to >> jallib. When I will habve find something useful, I will open a new topic >> in the jallist for it) >> >> Kind regards, >> >> David >> >> Le mardi 2 avril 2024 à 18:54:06 UTC+2, Rob CJ a écrit : >> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> I never worked with those configurable blocks but it can be interesting. >>> >>> BTW. I think if you order at Digikey I thougt you also had to pay costs >>> for customs (I think I had to pay that a long time ago since the components >>> came from the USA). >>> >>> If I am right you live in Belgium. An option would be to order the chip >>> at Reichelt in Germany. They are not every expensive and the shipment costs >>> are OK (some other suppliers use DTP or others who are very expensive in >>> shipment costs). >>> >>> Just an idea to save money (I hope), Dutch habbit 🙂. >>> >>> E.g. >>> https://www.reichelt.nl/nl/nl/mcu-picmicro-14-kb-32-mhz-pdip-20-pic16f13145-ep-p370198.html?&trstct=pos_6&nbc=1 >>> >>> <https://www.reichelt.nl/nl/nl/mcu-picmicro-14-kb-32-mhz-pdip-20-pic16f13145-ep-p370198.html?&trstct=pos_6&nbc=1> >>> PIC16F13145-EP - MCU, PICmicro, 14 KB, 32 MHz, PDIP-20 >>> <https://www.reichelt.nl/nl/nl/mcu-picmicro-14-kb-32-mhz-pdip-20-pic16f13145-ep-p370198.html?&trstct=pos_6&nbc=1> >>> De PIC16F13145-microcontrollerfamilie biedt een effectieve methode voor >>> de implementatie van op hardware gebaseerde oplossingen. Door de >>> introductie van de CLB-randapparatuur (Configurable Logic [...] >>> www.reichelt.nl >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens David >>> VB <[email protected]> >>> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 2 april 2024 16:26 >>> >>> *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> >>> *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] Jallib 1.9.0 Beta is available >>> Hi Rob, >>> >>> Thanks for your answer. >>> I have just bought the Curiosity Nano 16F13145 board, but have not yet >>> tested it. >>> I have several other references of that family (16F131xx) in my basket >>> since they now become available on Digikey, but for those, I waited to buy >>> them because I would like to test the CLB first. >>> >>> Unfortunately, it seems that the CLB is only usable with the synthesis >>> tool available online or from MPLABX, and that the produced output cannot >>> be retrieved as "something" that could be integrated in a program written >>> outside of MPLABX..... >>> >>> The ideal would have been to be able to retrieve a kind of include file >>> that could be used as asm (after transformation, of course). That way, it >>> would have been usable in jal. >>> >>> But by reading the documentation, it appears that not all involved >>> registers are available to the user, and that the synthesized model is >>> embedded during programming phase only.... >>> >>> Well, it remains a bit obsure for now, I will have to dig (much) deeper >>> to completely understand it. >>> >>> Anyway, the new CLB was the primary reason I was interested in that >>> family, but if it unusable outside of MPLABX, then I will pass ..... >>> >>> I'll keep you posted >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> Le lundi 1 avril 2024 à 19:12:07 UTC+2, Rob CJ a écrit : >>> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> I can answer that. They are not yet in the release because I did not yet >>> have a sample to test them. >>> >>> I can only request a limited amount of samples from Microchip. >>> >>> Normally only tested device files are in the release. >>> >>> But you can get access to the device files since I have already created >>> them and uploaded them to Github but as said are not yet in the release. >>> >>> You can find them here: >>> https://github.com/jallib/jallib/tree/master/include/device >>> <https://github.com/jallib/jallib/tree/master/include/device> >>> jallib/include/device at master · jallib/jallib >>> <https://github.com/jallib/jallib/tree/master/include/device> >>> Automatically exported from code.google.com/p/jallib - jallib/jallib >>> github.com >>> If you have used the device file and it all works, let me know because >>> then I can add them to the next bee-package (I think we should not change >>> the contents of the release now). >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens David >>> VB <[email protected]> >>> *Verzonden:* maandag 1 april 2024 17:05 >>> >>> *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> >>> *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] Jallib 1.9.0 Beta is available >>> Hi Matt, >>> >>> Besides the comment of Rob about i2c_hardware.jal, there is another >>> thing I'd like to mention: >>> >>> MPLABX 6.20 introduces the new 16F131xx family. >>> The new device files for that family are include in the Github, but are >>> not listed in the list of changes. >>> Will they be part of the release of jallib 1.9.0 ? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> David >>> >>> Le samedi 30 mars 2024 à 18:49:54 UTC+1, Rob CJ a écrit : >>> >>> Hi Matt, >>> >>> Thanks for adding the compiler. >>> >>> Can you also add the latest i2c_hardware.jal and the last version of the >>> changelog (both were updated yesterday just before your release). >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Matthew >>> Schinkel <[email protected]> >>> *Verzonden:* zaterdag 30 maart 2024 17:04 >>> >>> *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> >>> *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] Jallib 1.9.0 Beta is available >>> Hi Rob, I've added it to jallib-1.9.0beta.zip >>> >>> The other files have it already. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Matt. >>> >>> On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 5:10:46 AM UTC-4 [email protected] >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Matt, >>> >>> I downloaded the zip file. Seems that the compiler is missing. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Rob CJ < >>> [email protected]> >>> *Verzonden:* zaterdag 30 maart 2024 08:52 >>> *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> >>> *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] Jallib 1.9.0 Beta is available >>> >>> Hi Matt, >>> >>> This version does not yet have the change i2c_hardware.jal version which >>> I uploaded yesterday that solves the issue reportedby David. >>> >>> Maybe I was too late and it missed the release. >>> >>> Is it possible to add this to the final release? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Matthew >>> Schinkel <[email protected]> >>> *Verzonden:* zaterdag 30 maart 2024 01:10 >>> *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> >>> *Onderwerp:* [jallib] Jallib 1.9.0 Beta is available >>> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> Jallib 1.9.0 Beta is available. Please download and test this. There >>> will be an official release after 2 weeks. >>> >>> If any changes are needed please let me know. >>> >>> http://www.justanotherlanguage.org/downloads >>> jallib full jallib_full-1.9.0beta.zip >>> <http://www.justanotherlanguage.org/sites/default/files/ftp_server/builds/beta/jallib%20full%20jallib_full-1.9.0beta.zip> >>> jallib-1.9.0beta.zip >>> <http://www.justanotherlanguage.org/sites/default/files/ftp_server/builds/beta/jallib-1.9.0beta.zip> >>> jallib_full_win_setup-1.9.0beta.exe >>> <http://www.justanotherlanguage.org/sites/default/files/ftp_server/builds/beta/jallib_full_win_setup-1.9.0beta.exe> >>> >>> Changes since 1.8.0 >>> >>> device files: >>> - Added 16f18026.jal, 16f18046.jal. >>> - Added 16f18054.jal, 16f18055.jal, 16f18074.jal, 16f18075.jal. >>> - Added 18f26q71.jal, 18f46q71.jal, 18f56q71.jal. >>> - Added 16f17114.jal, 16f17115.jal, 16f17124.jal, 16f17125.jal, >>> 16f17144.jal, 16f17145.jal >>> - Added 16f18114.jal, 16f18115.jal, 16f18124.jal, 16f18125.jal, >>> 16f18144.jal, 16f18145.jal >>> - Added 16f17156.jal, 16f17176.jal >>> - Added 16f17154.jal, 16f17155.jal, 16f17174.jal, 16f17175.jal >>> - Added 16f18154.jal, 16f18155.jal, 16f18174.jal, 16f18175.jal >>> - Added 16f18126.jal, 16f18146.jal. >>> >>> >>> externals: >>> - Added library rda5807m.jal, single-chip broadcast FM radio tuner. >>> - Update of rtc_3231.jal. Added functions for reading the set alarm >>> times. >>> - Added library nec_rc_decoder.jal, NEC Remote Control decoder. >>> - Added library philips_rc_decoder.jal, Philips RC5/RC6 Remote Control >>> decoder. >>> - Update of gps_neo_6m.jal. Works on interrupt basis. GPS location >>> added. >>> Note: This results in a breaking change is you have used the previous >>> version. >>> - Added library dcf77_decoder.jal, decoder for the DCF77 signal. >>> - Added library hcsr04.jal, HC-SR04 ultrasonic distance sensor >>> >>> filesystem: >>> - >>> >>> compiler: >>> - Update of jalv2 compiler documentation, fixing typo and adding >>> operator >>> precedence. >>> - Added new compiler, version jalv25r8, fixing compiler issues #28, #30 >>> and #31. >>> >>> jal: >>> - >>> >>> networking: >>> - >>> >>> peripherals: >>> - Update of adc.jal to support newer PICs (alias added for >>> ADCON0_GONDONE). >>> - Update of stopwatch.jal and stopwatch2.jal to support newer PICs >>> - Update of i2c_hardware.jal supporting a timeout to prevent hangup. >>> >>> projects: >>> - >>> >>> protocols: >>> - >>> >>> samples: >>> - Added 16f18026_blink_intosc.jal, 16f18046_blink_intosc.jal. >>> - Added 16f18054_blink_intosc.jal, 16f18055_blink_intosc.jal, >>> 16f18074_blink_intosc.jal, 16f18075_blink_intosc.jal. >>> - Added 18f26q71_blink_hs.jal, 18f26q71_blink_intosc.jal, >>> 18f46q71_blink_hs.jal, 18f46q71_blink_intosc.jal, >>> 18f56q71_blink_hs.jal, 18f56q71_blink_intosc.jal. >>> - Added 16f1825_rda5807m.jal library for single-chip broadcast FM radio >>> tuner. >>> - Update of 16f1825_rtc_ds3231.jal. Added reading the set alarm times. >>> - Added 16f15325_adc.jal. Newer PIC to test the updated adc.jal library. >>> - Added 16f15325_stopwatch.jal, 16f15325_stopwatch2.jal >>> - Added 16f877a_nec_rc_decoder.jal, 16f1825_nec_rc_decoder.jal, >>> 16f18857_nec_rc_decoder.jal for NEC Remote Control decoder >>> library. >>> - Added 16f877a_philips_rc_decoder.jal, 16f1825_philips_rc_decoder.jal, >>> 16f18857_philips_rc_decoder.jal for Philips Remote Control >>> decoder library. >>> - Added 16f17114_blink_hs.jal, 16f17114_blink_intosc.jal >>> 16f17115_blink_hs.jal, 16f17115_blink_intosc.jal >>> 16f17124_blink_hs.jal, 16f17124_blink_intosc.jal >>> 16f17125_blink_hs.jal, 16f17125_blink_intosc.jal >>> 16f17144_blink_hs.jal, 16f17144_blink_intosc.jal >>> 16f17145_blink_hs.jal, 16f17145_blink_intosc.jal >>> - Added 16f18114_blink_hs.jal, 16f18114_blink_intosc.jal >>> 16f18115_blink_hs.jal, 16f18115_blink_intosc.jal >>> 16f18124_blink_hs.jal, 16f18124_blink_intosc.jal >>> 16f18125_blink_hs.jal, 16f18125_blink_intosc.jal >>> 16f18144_blink_hs.jal, 16f18144_blink_intosc.jal >>> 16f18145_blink_hs.jal, 16f18145_blink_intosc.jal >>> - Update of 16f1825_gps_neo_6m.jal (see remark on breaking change of >>> library). >>> Added 16f1825_gps_neo_6m_ssd1306_clock.jal >>> - Added 16f1825_dcf77_decoder_serial.jal, >>> 16f1825_dcf77_decoder_ssd1306.jal >>> - Added 16f1825_hcsr04_led.jal, 16f1825_hcsr04_serial.jal >>> - Added 16f17156_blink_hs.jal, 16f17156_blink_intosc.jal, >>> 16f17176_blink_hs.jal, 16f17176_blink_intosc.jal >>> - Added 16f17154_blink_hs.jal, 16f17154_blink_intosc.jal, >>> 16f17155_blink_hs.jal, 16f17155_blink_intosc.jal, >>> 16f17174_blink_hs.jal, 16f17174_blink_intosc.jal, >>> 16f17175_blink_hs.jal, 16f17175_blink_intosc.jal >>> - Added 16f18154_blink_hs.jal, 16f18154_blink_intosc.jal, >>> 16f18155_blink_hs.jal, 16f18155_blink_intosc.jal, >>> 16f18174_blink_hs.jal, 16f18174_blink_intosc.jal, >>> 16f18175_blink_hs.jal, 16f18175_blink_intosc.jal >>> - Added 16f18126_blink_hs.jal, 16f18126_blink_intosc.jal >>> 16f18146_blink_hs.jal, 16f18146_blink_intosc.jal >>> - Added 16f1823_i2c_hw_eeprom_serial.jal to demonstrate i2c timeout >>> functionality >>> >>> documentation: >>> - 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