Hi Rob and Vasile, Now I use a opamp to reverse the voltage and measure it with the PIC , the current of the negative voltage is measured in the common connection witch is high side of the negative output of a triple voltage power supply. BTW this is not the battery circuit.
On Monday, September 1, 2025 at 8:15:15 PM UTC+2 Bill Beek wrote: > Hi Rob, i use a circuit for testing batteries (charging and de charging) > without switching the connections. > Something like your project with the 16F1765 but less advanced. > > Kind regards, Bill. > > > On Monday, September 1, 2025 at 7:52:30 PM UTC+2 Rob CJ wrote: > >> Hi Bill, >> >> I read the following. >> >> No, the INA3221 cannot measure voltages on a negative rail where the rail >> voltage is below the INA3221's own ground (GND) reference >> , because its common-mode voltage (VCM) >> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&cs=0&sca_esv=f67f5be7214373bb&sxsrf=AE3TifMcbS75HDclSP4xbv6SHFFx8P_JHw%3A1756748991899&q=common-mode+voltage+%28VCM%29&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiWjNH8j7iPAxV687sIHfKfAjgQxccNegQIAxAC&mstk=AUtExfCOzwYNtic8LAkn2d85fEAdpzJkD5YNUwxLKTcbeEOB1FxjikY7bWtQW8S1vl6ESk0KQjYc3GaMir7M4e3R9Gzja5C2tSYy9lNVMpEThbb9i8FRGRE69iuwYeKLHY9W4WA1YK_DB0IuSN0VRI0zdbDCTwFNUcUUod7eXOVnzFAJ2Fw&csui=3> >> range >> is limited. To measure current on a negative voltage rail, you would need >> to use an alternative device like the INA296A/B >> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&cs=0&sca_esv=f67f5be7214373bb&sxsrf=AE3TifMcbS75HDclSP4xbv6SHFFx8P_JHw%3A1756748991899&q=INA296A%2FB&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiWjNH8j7iPAxV687sIHfKfAjgQxccNegQIBRAB&mstk=AUtExfCOzwYNtic8LAkn2d85fEAdpzJkD5YNUwxLKTcbeEOB1FxjikY7bWtQW8S1vl6ESk0KQjYc3GaMir7M4e3R9Gzja5C2tSYy9lNVMpEThbb9i8FRGRE69iuwYeKLHY9W4WA1YK_DB0IuSN0VRI0zdbDCTwFNUcUUod7eXOVnzFAJ2Fw&csui=3>, >> or >> design a circuit to float the INA3221's ground with the negative rail and >> use a digital isolator >> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&cs=0&sca_esv=f67f5be7214373bb&sxsrf=AE3TifMcbS75HDclSP4xbv6SHFFx8P_JHw%3A1756748991899&q=digital+isolator&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiWjNH8j7iPAxV687sIHfKfAjgQxccNegQIBRAC&mstk=AUtExfCOzwYNtic8LAkn2d85fEAdpzJkD5YNUwxLKTcbeEOB1FxjikY7bWtQW8S1vl6ESk0KQjYc3GaMir7M4e3R9Gzja5C2tSYy9lNVMpEThbb9i8FRGRE69iuwYeKLHY9W4WA1YK_DB0IuSN0VRI0zdbDCTwFNUcUUod7eXOVnzFAJ2Fw&csui=3> >> to >> communicate with the microcontroller, as detailed in reference designs from >> TI >> E2E >> <https://e2e.ti.com/support/amplifiers/f/amplifiers-forum/826357/ina3221-use-on-a-negative-voltage-power-supply> >> >> How do you get negative currents? >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Rob >> >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Bill >> Beek <[email protected]> >> *Verzonden:* maandag 1 september 2025 19:27 >> >> *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> >> *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board >> I had no need for negative voltages, because of common mode limitations. >> I blow up one INA3221 board when I connect negative and positive voltages. >> I look forward for the changed lib >> Kind regards, Bill >> >> On Monday, September 1, 2025 at 6:51:25 PM UTC+2 Rob CJ wrote: >> >> Hi Bill, >> >> Ah, I forgot to take negative voltages (and currents) into account. In >> the documentation - when the voltage is negative and the sign bit is set - >> yo need to take the two's complement not only the sign. >> >> Will fix it both for sword/sdword and floats. >> >> BTW. You use word for the voltage in your sample program but if the >> current becomes negative, the voltage should also be negative. So why not >> use sword for the voltage too? >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Bill >> Beek <[email protected]> >> *Verzonden:* zondag 31 augustus 2025 20:25 >> >> *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> >> *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board >> >> Hi Rob, during testing I ran into a problem. >> >> If the current becomes negative, you lose the sign (bit 15). >> >> If bit 15 becomes high, the measured value increases by 32760, (the 3 >> LSB's don't count). >> >> That was also the reason that I limited myself to using int "words" in >> the library. >> >> I have Adapted the library and delete some floats to test the phenomenon. >> >> In the main program I use "swords". >> >> I send my versions for checking. >> Kind regards, Bill. >> >> On Sunday, August 31, 2025 at 3:32:33 PM UTC+2 Bill Beek wrote: >> >> Hi Rob, >> I have tried to test but nothing happens, no serial output too, I think >> my 16F1825 is broken. >> Now I will port it to another PIC and try out the lib. >> I post my findings later. >> >> Kind regards, Bill. >> >> On Saturday, August 30, 2025 at 12:13:32 PM UTC+2 [email protected] >> wrote: >> >> Hi Bill, >> >> I completed the library, tested all functions with a module I purchased. >> It should be using floats and not using floats. >> >> Attached the library and a simple sample program. >> >> I will add it later to Jallib. >> >> If you find something strange or you are missing something, let me know. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> Op donderdag 21 augustus 2025 om 21:25:54 UTC+2 schreef >> [email protected]: >> >> Hi Bill, >> >> Yes, strange that I multiplied it twice. Good that you found it. >> >> I am still waiting for the module to arrive so that I can test all >> library functions. >> >> I will let you know when I added the library and the sample to Jallib. It >> will then be in the next bee-package. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Rob >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Bill >> Beek <[email protected]> >> *Verzonden:* donderdag 21 augustus 2025 20:37 >> >> *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> >> *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board >> Hi Rob, >> I tested the combined lib, and i found 1 bug in the integer part. >> In case of current > ~ 43 mA the value was not correct, I think overload >> of the dword. >> In the shunt voltage was 2 times multiplied by 1000 when I correct that >> the measurements >> are okay. >> Kind regards, Bill. >> >> >> On Wednesday, August 20, 2025 at 7:04:24 PM UTC+2 Rob CJ wrote: >> >> Hi Bill, >> >> That is good to hear and thanks for testing it. >> >> I combined it in one library and one sample program. Default is the use >> of word/dword. If you want to use the float version then define the >> following before including the library (also shown in the sample program): >> -) INA3221_USE_FLOAT = TRUE >> >> Attached the update. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Rob >> >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Bill >> Beek <[email protected]> >> *Verzonden:* woensdag 20 augustus 2025 11:01 >> >> *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> >> *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board >> Hi Rob, >> Both versions working fine. >> I will wait for the final version with float and integers and test again >> >> BTW when somebody needs higher resolution for voltage the ADS1115 board >> offers >> 4 channels 16 bits or 2 channels differential measurements maybe project >> for the future. >> >> Thanks for the good work, Bill >> >> >> On Tuesday, August 19, 2025 at 7:52:24 PM UTC+2 Rob CJ wrote: >> >> Hi David, >> >> Yes I can make one version and use a define "INA3221_USE_FLOAT". >> >> The default is then that it uses words and dwords. >> >> Thanks for the suggestion. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Rob >> >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens >> [email protected] <[email protected]> >> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 19 augustus 2025 19:44 >> >> *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> >> *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board >> Sorry to break in, i followed this subject from far away.... >> >> My opinion is that botj version should go to the lib. >> >> Maybe one file with "define" to choose between float or integer? >> >> Just my 2 cents.... >> >> Obtenir BlueMail pour mobile <https://bluemail.me/download/> >> Le 19 août 2025, à 19:41, Rob CJ <[email protected]> a écrit: >> >> >> Hi Bill, >> >> Ah, now I understand. What I do not understand is that this is also >> incorrect in other - Arduino - Libraries. I applied your corrections. >> Thanks for that. >> >> BTW. I did not yet address negative voltages, will do that when testing >> the module to see if that works at all. >> >> I made a second version without floats. This means: >> -) Shunt resistor must be in mOhm >> -) Shunt voltage is in uV >> -) Current is in uA >> -) Bus voltage is in mV >> >> When compiling these are the differences. >> >> Version without floats: >> Code area: 1485 of 8192 used (words) >> Data area: 111 of 1024 used >> Software stack available: 80 bytes >> Hardware stack depth 4 of 16 >> >> Version with floats: >> Code area: 2427 of 8192 used (words) >> Data area: 139 of 1024 used >> Software stack available: 80 bytes >> Hardware stack depth 4 of 16 >> >> I attached both version and called the new one 'no_float'. So the >> question is which one should be in Jallib? >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Bill >> Beek <[email protected]> >> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 19 augustus 2025 15:24 >> *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> >> *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board >> >> >> Hi Rob, >> >> I tested the bus voltage, shunt_voltage and current functions, >> unfortunately it didn't work. >> >> So I looked at the lib and saw that the 3 lsb's shift were still present. >> >> The multiplication was also incorrect, the whole word value must be used. >> >> The 3 lsb's simply don't participate, so the multiply factor for the >> bus_voltage is 1 mV and for the shunt_voltage 5 uV, however, the resolution >> is then 8 mV and 40 uV respectively. >> >> Bits 15 to 3 contain the measured values. After the change, those >> functions worked properly. >> >> Btw Vasile the common mode I chose an inverting opamp in case of negative >> voltages and the ADC of the PIC. >> >> The current is measured by INA3221 on the common side. >> >> Kind regards, Bill. >> >> >> On Tuesday, August 19, 2025 at 6:34:16 AM UTC+2 vsurducan wrote: >> >> Hi Rob, >> Perhaps using float will limit de usability of the library in fast >> processes or for small memory microcontroller size. >> >> Constant multiplication seems much faster assuring the precision you >> need. It has the disadvantage of an external computation using cmul >> executable and translation to jal code. ( btw, cmul.exe it should be >> included in the jal package if it is not already). >> >> INA3221 seems to be very handy IC for energy measurement applications, >> except perhaps the limited common mode voltage, this might be a valuable >> library. >> >> best wishes, >> Vasile >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 18, 2025, 19:53 Rob CJ <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Bill, >> >> I was looking at changing all values from float to word and dword but >> because of that you need to define the shunt restors in uOhm, the shunt >> value in uV, the current in uA and the bus value in V. This makes it - I >> think - less logical for the user. When using floats it is all logical >> everything in Ohm, Amper and Volt. >> >> So for know I kept the floats. >> >> Attached the full library and a sample program. I did not change the >> calulations you mentioned since I do not know what you changed. >> >> Can you give this version a try? >> >> Once I have the module I will test all functions and if OK add this >> library and a sample program to Jallib. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Rob >> >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Bill >> Beek <[email protected]> >> *Verzonden:* maandag 18 augustus 2025 15:42 >> *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> >> *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board >> >> Hi Rob, >> I look forward to the final version, thank you for your effort. >> BTW the current function is not used, the calculation and calibrations >> of the real resistance I do in the main program. >> By max current and dividing by 0.1 you need a dword in the present >> function. >> I don't know how to handle the sign bit when there is negative current, I >> dont >> use it at the moment , others will do maybe. >> >> kind regards Bill. >> >> >> On Monday, August 18, 2025 at 1:00:08 PM UTC+2 Rob CJ wrote: >> >> Hi Bill, >> >> I agree with you not to use floats and do the calculation in the main >> program. Yesterday I completed the library with all functions. I will first >> remove the floats and include your fix and will then send you the update. I >> also ordered the module so I can test all functions. >> >> Met vriendelijke groet, >> Rob Jansen >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of >> Bill Beek <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 17, 2025 8:32:44 PM >> *To:* jallib <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board >> >> >> Hi Rob, I have the program working. >> >> When i looked at the registers it was very clear that I make some >> mistakes. >> >> I changed the last version of the lib again because the shifting of the 3 >> lsb's turned out to be incorrect and the multiplication in the voltages was >> also incorrect. >> >> The 3 LSBs do not participate, bit 4 is 8 mV, respectively 40 uV. >> >> So just read the registers in the main program. >> >> I no longer use a floating point for this, only word format. >> >> The calculations, and the display format are done in the main program. >> >> Finally, extending the lib would be nice, especially some configurations >> of the functions. >> >> The time out function is very useful. >> >> I'll leave it up to you whether you go along with my solution, see the >> changed library. >> >> kind regards, Bill. >> >> >> On Saturday, August 16, 2025 at 1:05:52 PM UTC+2 Rob CJ wrote: >> >> Hi Bill, >> >> I made a small mistake in the default IIC address 🙁. I fixed that. >> >> Some other remarks. I saw in a video that the Arduino Library you >> mentioned is not correct. I saw in your update that you corrected that. I >> saw the same fix in an Arduino Library from Adafruit. I also saw you added >> a function to read the register values which is handy. >> >> I added the changes to the attached library but I also added a timeout >> function. When the IIC communication is not working this function will >> return TRUE after you called it (after which it will be reset). I changed >> the call to the IIC routines so that it keep track of any timeout. I >> updated the samle program. >> >> Next to that I changed the array with shunt resistor values by floats and >> set them by defaul to 0.1 Ohm which seems to be the commonly used value and >> I saw that was also the case in your update. >> >> I think I will extend the library further and I am thinking of ordering a >> module to test. The library needs functions to change for example the shunt >> resistor value, etc. >> >> So see if you still get non-changing values and check the timeout and if >> so, change the IIC address. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Bill >> Beek <[email protected]> >> *Verzonden:* zaterdag 16 augustus 2025 12:18 >> >> *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> >> *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board >> >> Hello Rob, >> >> I tested the program, but unfortunately, I didn't get good results. >> >> The current shows 1.6447997E1 with and without current. >> >> The voltage shows 8.223999E0 with and without voltage. >> >> So, nothing changes. >> >> I looked at the datasheet and the library and made some adjustments, also >> without success. >> >> I also tried reading the config, ID, and manufacturer registers, all of >> which returned 4040h. >> >> But I’m not sure if I dit that right. >> >> Here is my version with a litle typo. >> >> >> On Tuesday, August 12, 2025 at 8:33:39 PM UTC+2 Bill Beek wrote: >> >> Thank you Rob, >> I will look at it later, this week is very hot in the shack in my attic. >> >> thanks again, >> kind regards Bill. >> >> >> On Tuesday, August 12, 2025 at 8:16:54 PM UTC+2 Rob CJ wrote: >> >> Hi Bill, >> >> Small - but important - fix of the library. >> >> Use this version. >> >> Thanks >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Rob >> >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Rob CJ < >> [email protected]> >> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 12 augustus 2025 19:28 >> >> *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> >> *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board >> Hi Bill, >> >> Attached my first attempt of the library for the INA3321. I only >> implemented the functions you called. >> >> I might add more functions later. >> >> You find the libary and a sample program for a PIC16F1825 so you may need >> to swich to a PIC that you normally use. I only compiled it since I could >> not test it. >> >> Can you give it a try. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Rob >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Bill >> Beek <[email protected]> >> *Verzonden:* zondag 10 augustus 2025 12:08 >> *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> >> *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board >> >> >> Sorry Rob I can't get the text to be organized properly. >> >> I'll try again. >> >> Hi Rob, thank you for your quick response. >> >> Currently I have 1 INA3221 board left so I can still test. >> >> I now use the library of Rob Tillaart "INA3221_RT" >> >> #include "INA3221.h" >> >> INA3221 INA(0x40); >> >> And the commands for initialization and default setup. >> >> INA.begin(); >> >> ch = 0 to 2 >> >> U = INA.getBusVoltage(ch); >> >> I = INA.getCurrent_mA(ch); >> >> I hope this is enough info, >> >> Thank you very much for the effort. >> >> kind regards, Bill. >> >> >> On Sunday, August 10, 2025 at 11:45:44 AM UTC+2 Bill Beek wrote: >> >> Hi Rob, thank you for your quick response. >> Currently I have 1 INA3221 board left so I can still test. >> I now use the library of Rob Tillaart "INA3221_RT" >> #include "INA3221.h" INA3221 >> INA(0x40); >> And the commands for initialization and default setup. >> INA.begin(); >> ch = 0 to 2 >> U = INA.getBusVoltage(ch); >> I = INA.getCurrent_mA(ch); >> I hope this is enough info, >> Thank you very much for the effort. kind regards, Bill. >> >> >> On Saturday, August 9, 2025 at 8:05:05 PM UTC+2 Rob CJ wrote: >> >> Hi Bill, >> >> What I could do is only implement the functions you are using instead of >> porting all functions. That would save time. I do not have such a device >> so I cannot test it so if I have something you become the tester 🙂. >> >> Can you tell me which Arduino functions you use from this library? >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Bill >> Beek <[email protected]> >> *Verzonden:* zaterdag 9 augustus 2025 19:49 >> *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> >> *Onderwerp:* Re: [jallib] INA3221 board >> >> Hi Rob, >> TNX for your replay, >> I looked at it and found it too complicated to implement all the >> functions. By the way, I only use the Volt and Amp functions. So far I use >> an Arduino Nano and the INA3221 in a triple output power supply . But I >> like JAL much more. >> >> On Saturday, August 9, 2025 at 7:01:01 PM UTC+2 Rob CJ wrote: >> >> Hi Bill, >> >> Let's hope that somebody created something for JAL that can be turned >> into a JAL library. >> >> I had a quick look at the Arduino library and it seems to be a number of >> small but readable functions and 'only' about 500 lines of source code so >> it seems douable to make a JAL library out of it. How far did you get >> porting it? >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens Bill >> Beek <[email protected]> >> *Verzonden:* vrijdag 8 augustus 2025 20:21 >> *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> >> *Onderwerp:* [jallib] INA3221 board >> >> Hi all, is there anyone who has made a library for the INA3221 >> Three-Channel Shunt Current and Supply Voltage Monitor module (I2C)? I've >> been looking at the arduino lib to convert it to a JAL lib, but it's a bit >> too complicated for me. 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