I also wanted to mention that all of next week I'll be on vacation and 
while I'll be checking email, it probably won't be very regularly and I 
don't expect to be working on any James code.

California here I come!
-- 
Serge Knystautas
Loki Technologies - Unstoppable Websites
http://www.lokitech.com/

Paul Hammant wrote:
> Serge,
> 
> OK thanks for backing down, coming clean re the need for the pub... ;-)
> 
> Nonetheless, I'd like to offer my services to bring you completely up to 
> date with released Avalon comps. I'll also try to get a release of 
> Phoenix done (it moves a little each month) and of Cornerstone (has 
> hardly moved in months).  I reckon it will take me a day to do. I'll 
> propose Saturday (if you guys can stay clear of the CVS). 
> I'd like to do it in this style 
> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/eob/eob/ where there is 
> greater separation between the jars that Phoenix needs and the jars that 
> JAMES needs.   This will help a newbie see what is actually needed for 
> JAMES compilation.   I am adept at build scripts and will leave you in a 
> position where all the targets (that work currently) continue to work. 
> What will follow, hopefully in a week or so would be the release 
> versions of the things that are release versions.  What I have done with 
> EOB is take the Phoenix verison from CVS after a "build dist-lite" 
> build.  The layout that gives is the same as that I have booked into CVS 
> of EOB.
> 
> Of course, there is a lot to consider here.  You have every right to 
> veto or decline, but the offer is tabled.
> 
> Tonight, while you folks mull the offer, I am going to create a block 
> wrapper for this Tomcat wrapper :- 
> http://freshmeat.net/projects/mintc/?topic_id=92%2C259%2C250
> How would you feel about a web server in the same SAR file ?  Another 
> day perhaps....
> 
> Regards,
> 
> - Paul H
> 
> 
>> Peter and Paul,
>>
>> Thank you for responding so calmly.  Regardless of my points, I should 
>> have just walked to the nearby bar before writing that kind of a 
>> message, and I appreciate your positive responses.
>>
>> I'm glad to see Avalon is making some releases.  I see the latest in 
>> code James CVS reporting "Phoenix 4.0a4" and a bunch of timestamped 
>> avalon jars.  I don't see where Avalon-Phoenix is "currently shipping 
>> a beta"... both freshmeat and jakarta show 4.0a1-a3 and latest.  If 
>> there is a release, that's great and we should probably upgrade.
>>
>> On that note, what would really help me from Avalon would be 
>> concrete/complete releases.  What I would like in a release would be a 
>> main jar, dependent jars, source code, javadocs, and ideally a branch 
>> in CVS.  I'm used to drilling from James' code to Avalon-Phoenix to 
>> Avalon-Cornerstone, etc..., that's fine and expected... I like to do 
>> that and that's a big reason why I use open source.
>>
>> The problem is without clear releases, I have to setup timestamped 
>> checkouts of code from CVS, maybe generate my own javadocs, and 
>> otherwise always be uncertain if I'm checking the source and docs of 
>> what I'm actually running.
>>
>> Also, as it seems every other line of code in Avalon is dependent on 
>> another Avalon subproject, in these releases I would very much like to 
>> understand how these builds are made and with what dependencies.  Are 
>> these being built with the latest of CVS in the other subprojects, or 
>> a particular release?  It always worries me when I see how 2/3rds of 
>> the subprojects have made releases since there is so much 
>> interdependency. It seems at some point there could be a combined 
>> "Avalon" release for projects like James where we're using more than 
>> one or two modules.


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