I guess I can explain the difference between the two patterns a bit, maybe not in much detail, because I could not find it in my favourite grammar book, but well enough to differenciate them clearly anyway.
First of all, apart from meanings like "leftovers" or "not that much", amari has one more related meaning, something similar to "too much" which is used to emphasize the degree of some state. Some examples of such sentences are: * Haha wa kanashimi no amari, yamai no toko ni tsuite shimatta. * Kare wa odoroki no amari ni, te ni motte ita kappu wo otoshite shimatta. * Isogashisa no amari, Tomodachi ni denwa wo shinakereba naranai no wo sukkari wasurete ita. * Kodomo no koto wo shinpai suru amari, tsui geshuku ni denwa shite wa iyagarete shimau. * Nantoka gyakuten shiyou to aseru amari, kaette misu wo takusan okoshite shimatta. * Kanojo wa kare no koto wo omou amari ni jibun no koto wo gisei ni shite shimatte iru. The pattern is as follows: N no amari (ni) V-ru amari (ni) This structure emphasizes the extreme degree/level of some emotion or state that comes before it, and states that this resulted in some negative situation, which is described after "amari". It probably could be translated as "as a result of ~ (doing something / being in some state) too much, ~" having in mind that the result is always negative. In case of "ageku", the meaning is slightly different, although at first sight they may seem very similar. Firstly, the gramatical pattern they are used in is different. If ageku is preceded by a verb it always comes in past form: N no ageku V-ta ageku Some example sentences: * Sanzan nayanda ageku, kare ni wa tegami de ayamaru koto ni shita. * Kangae ni kangaeta ageku, kono ie wo uru koto ni kimeta. * Otouto wa rokunen mo daigaku ni itte asobihouketa ageku ni, shuushoku shitakunai to iidashita. * Sore wa, suki de mo nai joushi no gokigen wo tottari, kazoku ni atari chirashitari no oosawagi wo shita ageku no joushin de atta. * Ane wa seki wo irenai dano issho ni sumanai dano to itte oya to tairitsu shi, suttamonda no ageku ni, youyaku kekkon shita. The structure means that after some particular state has continued for enough time, the conclusion, settlement, development was as follows. The state which continues for a long time is in many cases either a mental burden or a nuisance for the person in question. I hope that this will clarify your doubts as to the use of these two structures. Unfortunately, I do not know whether they are formal, old fashioned, written-style only or freely usable in daily conversations. I have a feeling that "ageku" might be slighly formal and written-style, as I have never heard anyone speak it. Maciek -----Original Message----- From: Amol Dandekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Japanese_Language] Difference between ageku and amari Hi! I was just confused about the difference between ~~ageku and ~~amari grammar patterns. Can you please help me? Regards, Amol. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Japanese_Language/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Japanese_Language/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
