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Jon Stevens wrote:
> I love these silly vs. debates. They come and go and we still stick around
> developing cool software...
Believe me, I am happy where I am...if it was solely my decision, I
would do some testing here and there of commercial stuff but stick with
Jserv and move to Tomacat.
> There are quite a few holes in their methodology (which naeem just pointed
> out...ie: 1.0 vs. 1.1.2...duh).
>
> Anyway, here is the questions you should ask yourself:
>
> Is my application running slowly? If my application is running slowly,
> should I spend $35k to increase the speed of the app server or should I
> spend $35k in engineering time to find the hotspots in the application I
> built myself?
>
> Is it broken? If so, is it worth spending $35k to _maybe_ fix things?
>
> Do I want to give up the benefits of having Jon "Asshole" Stevens (and the
> rest of the ppl on this list) fix your bugs overnight vs. spending $35k to
> _maybe_ get a fix when they get around to it?
I agree with your logic. I did not ask myself: why are you not using
iPlanet? I was asked the question by IT management. Let us face facts:
if you pay for it, it must be good. There is a tacit agreement that
keeps commercial software the ONLY thing to do. You buy, you are getting
your money's worth. You get for free and you are looked at strangely.
"There must be something better than something FREE, right?" they say to
themselves.
I see the Open Source advantage; but there are disadvantages. Having
thrown myself into the setup, configuration, and maintaining of Apache
Jserv setups, I would have turned Religious if I had a number to call to
get me through this sticky situation. The FAQ is good, but cannot beat
on-on-one confab with a software support person. You win some, you lose
some.
> Also, JServ isn't your only alternative out there. Tomcat 3.2 is on the
> horizon. If I were you, I would really start looking at that servlet engine.
> It is quite good now. Wait a second, I'm not even using JServ any longer for
> development...what am I talking about. :-)
I have that plane, as soon as I can get the testing equipment. Don't
knwo about you, but I do not throw new things (to me) into a production
or near pre-production machine.
I wonder, is there any notes on speed? Anyone have any testimonies? I
will check out the Tomcat site; it has been a while since I checked it
out for progress.
> Is it just me, or are these questions and answers not obvious to people?
See above. Obvious to me; do not fly with those spending the VC money.
> To me, the solution is quite obvious: Stick with JServ, migrate to Tomcat.
>
> Stop worrying about wasting money. Send me (or hell, the ASF or your
> favorite charity!) a check for $35k instead and I can give you a 100%
> promise that the current level of support that you get from JServ and Tomcat
> developers _today_ will continue to be higher than what you will get from
> iPlanet. Oh yea, and you will even have the source code for the software.
>
> Oh wait...I will give you that promise without spending any money! I'm doing
> it already. :-)
Now THAT would be a plan. For 35k, I can get a working servlet engine
which gives me everything we need AND we can save some whales! Or give
100lbs of rice to some starving country. Wouldn't the world be a much
better place if propositions like that would not get you fired.....
Thanks for the issues, Jon.
Ben Ricker
Web Administrator
US-Rx, Inc.
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