---------------------------------------------------------------- BEFORE YOU POST, search the faq at <http://java.apache.org/faq/> WHEN YOU POST, include all relevant version numbers, log files, and configuration files. Don't make us guess your problem!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Though the price of iPlanet Application Server is unrealistic absurd $35K, the price if iPlanet Web Server is $1895. Both products support Java Servlet technology. However, be it known to developers, there is a back door. For about $1000, you can get a developer's subscription which can get you all of the goods without cost. I think for people interested in this for knowledge, getting familar with the software for consulting and jobs, this is a good deal. But for putting together something for personal use, or something for a college/non-profit, or whatever, you cannot beat $0 for JSERV. regards, Joaquin > -----Original Message----- > From: Bari, Naeem [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 01:38 PM > To: 'Java Apache Users' > Subject: RE: Jserv vs. iPlanet > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > BEFORE YOU POST, search the faq at <http://java.apache.org/faq/> > WHEN YOU POST, include all relevant version numbers, log files, > and configuration files. Don't make us guess your problem!!! > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Hmph. It appears that mindcraft used jserv 1.0 (they mention the > version in the "mindcraft certification" section). > > I am pretty sure that jserv 1.0 is much, much slower than jserv 1.1 > > Also, $1500 per server for iPlanet? Try $35,000 (thats right, 35 > *thousand* > dollars) per cpu! Thats what iPlanet costs. > > so if you use a 4 cpu Sun e450, be prepared for a list price of > $140,000 just for iplanet alone. I got the pricing from > http://www.flashline.com/components/appservermatrix.jsp, BTW... a pretty > nice site... > > You can also read www.infoworld.com to see their opinion of iPlanet. > The bottom line: a great product, but not worth the price tag. > > You are also comparing apples to oranges, a little bit. Full bodied > Application Servers like iPlanet, WebSphere and their ilk provide a > lot more services than jserv does. Read up on the J2EE specs to see > why you would need one. > > My personal take is this: > > Unless you are writing a huge industrial strength application that > absolutely requires some pretty high end features, you are better > off using jserv or tomcat. > > In your particular case, where you have already written your app > using jserv, this tells me that it probably doesn't need the advanced > features of a full blow app server. So why spend the money and time > on it? > > On a side note, I take anything from mindcraft with not a grain, > but fistfulls of salt. I have seen several of their surveys that > are quite ridiculous. AFAIK, they take money from vendors and design > "benchmarks" that would favor the vendors. Like using jserv 1.0, > for instance, knowing full well that jserv 1.1 would have made > iPlanet look a lot less appealing. > > Hope that helps, > naeem > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ben Ricker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 3:09 PM > > To: Java Apache Users > > Subject: Jserv vs. iPlanet > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > BEFORE YOU POST, search the faq at <http://java.apache.org/faq/> > > WHEN YOU POST, include all relevant version numbers, log files, > > and configuration files. Don't make us guess your problem!!! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I have a dilemma that I would like to open up for possible discussion. > > > > Right now, I am running Apache 1.3.12 with Jserv 1.1 and 1.1.2, both > > Sun's and Blackdown's JDK 1.2.2. We run a servlet based web app which > > accesses an Oracle database through JDBC. > > > > The question has arose: why aren't we using iPlanet? Now, my main > > argument is, of course, we would pay $1500 per server while > > right now we > > pay $0 per server (for the software). However, as our company > > grows, the > > money will start to flow. iPlanet's site > (http://www.iplanet.com) has a > whole bunch of reasons to switch to them. I can handle most of the > points but one point they make is hard to counter. They site benchmarks > from http://www.mindcraft.com which show that iPlanet beats > Jserv/Stronghold by factors of 4. > > I cannot say I udnerstand the methodology of the benchmarks (such as > "latency" as they term it). Can someone clue me in? Is there anyone who > see holes in their methodology? Any help would be appreciated. > > Ben Ricker > Web Administrator > US-Rx, Inc. > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Please read the FAQ! <http://java.apache.org/faq/> > To subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives and Other: <http://java.apache.org/main/mail.html> > Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Please read the FAQ! <http://java.apache.org/faq/> > To subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives and Other: <http://java.apache.org/main/mail.html> > Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Please read the FAQ! <http://java.apache.org/faq/> To subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Search Archives: <http://www.mail-archive.com/java-apache-users%40list.working-dogs.com/> Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
