Always your prerogative.
On Sep 10, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Chris Lu wrote:
Actually I am done with it by simply downgrading and not to use
r659602 and later.
The old version is more clean and consistent with the API and close
() does mean close, not something complicated and unknown to most
users, which almost feels like a trap. And later on, if no changes
happened for this file, I will have to upgrade Lucene and manually
remove the patch Lucene-1195.
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On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:56 AM, robert engels
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Why not just use reopen() and be done with it???
On Sep 10, 2008, at 12:48 PM, Chris Lu wrote:
Yeah, the timing is different. But it's an unknown, undetermined,
and uncontrollable time...
We can not ask the user,
while(memory is low){
sleep(1000);
}
do_the_real_thing_an_hour_later
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On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:39 AM, robert engels
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Close() does work - it is just that the memory may not be freed
until much later...
When working with VERY LARGE objects, this can be a problem.
On Sep 10, 2008, at 12:36 PM, Chris Lu wrote:
Thanks for the analysis, really appreciate it, and I agree with
it. But...
This is really a normal J2EE use case. The threads seldom die.
Doesn't that mean closing the RAMDirectory doesn't work for J2EE
applications?
And only reopen() works?
And close() doesn't release the resources? duh...
I can only say this is a problem to be cleaned up.
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On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:10 AM, robert engels
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You do not need to create a new RAMDirectory - just write to the
existing one, and then reopen() the IndexReader using it.
This will prevent lots of big objects being created. This may be
the source of your problem.
Even if the Segment is closed, the ThreadLocal will no longer be
referenced, but there will still be a reference to the
SegmentTermEnum (which will be cleared when the thread dies, or
"most likely" when new thread locals on that thread a created, so
here is a potential problem.
Thread 1 does a search, creates a thread local that references
the RAMDir (A).
Thread 2 does a search, creates a thread local that references
the RAMDir (A).
All readers, are closed on RAMDir (A).
A new RAMDir (B) is opened.
There may still be references in the thread local maps to RAMDir
A (since no new thread local have been created yet).
So you may get OOM depending on the size of the RAMDir (since you
would need room for more than 1). If you extend this out with
lots of threads that don't run very often, you can see how you
could easily run out of memory. "I think" that ThreadLocal
should use a ReferenceQueue so stale object slots can be
reclaimed as soon as the key is dereferenced - but that is an
issue for SUN.
This is why you don't want to create new RAMDirs.
A good rule of thumb - don't keep references to large objects in
ThreadLocal (especially indirectly). If needed, use a "key", and
then read the cache using a the "key".
This would be something for the Lucene folks to change.
On Sep 10, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Chris Lu wrote:
I am really want to find out where I am doing wrong, if that's
the case.
Yes. I have made certain that I closed all Readers/Searchers,
and verified that through memory profiler.
Yes. I am creating new RAMDirectory. But that's the problem. I
need to update the content. Sure, if no content update and
everything the same, of course no OOM.
Yes. No guarantee of the thread schedule. But that's the
problem. If Lucene is using ThreadLocal to cache lots of things
by the Thread as the key, and no idea when it'll be released. Of
course ThreadLocal is not Lucene's problem...
Chris
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:34 AM, robert engels
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It is basic Java. Threads are not guaranteed to run on any sort
of schedule. If you create lots of large objects in one thread,
releasing them in another, there is a good chance you will get
an OOM (since the releasing thread may not run before the OOM
occurs)... This is not Lucene specific by any means.
It is a misunderstanding on your part about how GC works.
I assume you must at some point be creating new RAMDirectories -
otherwise the memory would never really increase, since the
IndexReader/enums/etc are not very large...
When you create a new RAMDirectories, you need to BE CERTAIN !!!
that the other IndexReaders/Searchers using the old RAMDirectory
are ALL CLOSED, otherwise their memory will still be in use,
which leads to your OOM...
On Sep 10, 2008, at 10:16 AM, Chris Lu wrote:
I do not believe I am making any mistake. Actually I just got
an email from another user, complaining about the same thing.
And I am having the same usage pattern.
After the reader is opened, the RAMDirectory is shared by
several objects.
There is one instance of RAMDirectory in the memory, and it is
holding lots of memory, which is expected.
If I close the reader in the same thread that has opened it,
the RAMDirectory is gone from the memory.
If I close the reader in other threads, the RAMDirectory is
left in the memory, referenced along the tree I draw in the
first email.
I do not think the usage is wrong. Period.
-------------------------------------
Hi,
i found a forum post from you here [1] where you mention
that you
have a memory leak using the lucene ram directory. I'd like to
ask you
if you already have resolved the problem and how you did it or
maybe
you know where i can read about the solution. We are using
RAMDirectory too and figured out, that over time the memory
consumption raises and raises until the system breaks down but
only
when we performing much index updates. if we only create the
index and
don't do nothing except searching it, it work fine.
maybe you can give me a hint or a link,
greetz,
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On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:12 AM, robert engels
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Sorry, but I am fairly certain you are mistaken.
If you only have a single IndexReader, the RAMDirectory will be
shared in all cases.
The only memory growth is any buffer space allocated by an
IndexInput (used in many places and cached).
Normally the IndexInput created by a RAMDirectory do not have
any buffer allocated, since the underlying store is already in
memory.
You have some other problem in your code...
On Sep 10, 2008, at 1:10 AM, Chris Lu wrote:
Actually, even I only use one IndexReader, some resources are
cached via the ThreadLocal cache, and can not be released
unless all threads do the close action.
SegmentTermEnum itself is small, but it holds RAMDirectory
along the path, which is big.
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On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:43 PM, robert engels
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You do not need a pool of IndexReaders...
It does not matter what class it is, what matters is the class
that ultimately holds the reference.
If the IndexReader is never closed, the SegmentReader(s) is
never closed, so the thread local in TermInfosReader is not
cleared (because the thread never dies). So you will get one
SegmentTermEnum, per thread * per segment.
The SegmentTermEnum is not a large object, so even if you had
100 threads, and 100 segments, for 10k instances, seems hard
to believe that is the source of your memory issue.
The SegmentTermEnum is cached by thread since it needs to
enumerate the terms, not having a per thread cache, would lead
to lots of random access when multiple threads read the index
- very slow.
You need to keep in mind, what if every thread was executing a
search simultaneously - you would still have 100x100
SegmentTermEnum instances anyway ! The only way to prevent
that would be to create and destroy the SegmentTermEnum on
each call (opening and seeking to the proper spot) - which
would be SLOW SLOW SLOW.
On Sep 10, 2008, at 12:19 AM, Chris Lu wrote:
I have tried to create an IndexReader pool and dynamically
create searcher. But the memory leak is the same. It's not
related to the Searcher class specifically, but the
SegmentTermEnum in TermInfosReader.
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On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:14 PM, robert engels
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
A searcher uses an IndexReader - the IndexReader is slow to
open, not a Searcher. And searchers can share an IndexReader.
You want to create a single shared (across all threads/users)
IndexReader (usually), and create an Searcher as needed and
dispose. It is VERY CHEAP to create the Searcher.
I am fairly certain the javadoc on Searcher is incorrect.
The warning "For performance reasons it is recommended to
open only one IndexSearcher and use it for all of your
searches" is not true in the case where an IndexReader is
passed to the ctor.
Any caching should USUALLY be performed at the IndexReader
level.
You are most likely using the "path" ctor, and that is the
source of your problems, as multiple IndexReader instances
are being created, and thus the memory use.
On Sep 9, 2008, at 11:44 PM, Chris Lu wrote:
On J2EE environment, usually there is a searcher pool with
several searchers open.
The speed to opening a large index for every user is not
acceptable.
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On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:03 PM, robert engels
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You need to close the searcher within the thread that is
using it, in order to have it cleaned up quickly... usually
right after you display the page of results.
If you are keeping multiple searcher refs across multiple
threads for paging/whatever, you have not coded it correctly.
Imagine 10,000 users - storing a searcher for each one is
not going to work...
On Sep 9, 2008, at 10:21 PM, Chris Lu wrote:
Right, in a sense I can not release it from another thread.
But that's the problem.
It's a J2EE environment, all threads are kind of equal.
It's simply not possible to iterate through all threads to
close the searcher, thus releasing the ThreadLocal cache.
Unless Lucene is not recommended for J2EE environment, this
has to be fixed.
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wiki.dbsight.com/index.php?
title=Create_Lucene_Database_Search_in_3_minutes
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On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:14 PM, robert engels
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Your code is not correct. You cannot release it on another
thread - the first thread may creating hundreds/thousands
of instances before the other thread ever runs...
On Sep 9, 2008, at 10:10 PM, Chris Lu wrote:
If I release it on the thread that's creating the
searcher, by setting searcher=null, everything is fine,
the memory is released very cleanly.
My load test was to repeatedly create a searcher on a
RAMDirectory and release it on another thread. The test
will quickly go to OOM after several runs. I set the heap
size to be 1024M, and the RAMDirectory is of size 250M.
Using some profiling tool, the used size simply stepped up
pretty obviously by 250M.
I think we should not rely on something that's a "maybe"
behavior, especially for a general purpose library.
Since it's a multi-threaded env, the thread that's
creating the entries in the LRU cache may not go away
quickly(actually most, if not all, application servers
will try to reuse threads), so the LRU cache, which uses
thread as the key, can not be released, so the
SegmentTermEnum which is in the same class can not be
released.
And yes, I close the RAMDirectory, and the fileMap is
released. I verified that through the profiler by directly
checking the values in the snapshot.
Pretty sure the reference tree wasn't like this using code
before this commit, because after close the searcher in
another thread, the RAMDirectory totally disappeared from
the memory snapshot.
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wiki.dbsight.com/index.php?
title=Create_Lucene_Database_Search_in_3_minutes
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On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Michael McCandless
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Chris Lu wrote:
The problem should be similar to what's talked about on
this discussion.
http://lucene.markmail.org/message/keosgz2c2yjc7qre?
q=ThreadLocal
The "rough" conclusion of that thread is that,
technically, this isn't a memory leak but rather a
"delayed freeing" problem. Ie, it may take longer,
possibly much longer, than you want for the memory to be
freed.
There is a memory leak for Lucene search from Lucene-1195.
(svn r659602, May23,2008)
This patch brings in a ThreadLocal cache to TermInfosReader.
One thing that confuses me: TermInfosReader was already
using a ThreadLocal to cache the SegmentTermEnum
instance. What was added in this commit (for LUCENE-1195)
was an LRU cache storing Term -> TermInfo instances. But
it seems like it's the SegmentTermEnum instance that
you're tracing below.
It's usually recommended to keep the reader open, and
reuse it when
possible. In a common J2EE application, the http requests
are usually
handled by different threads. But since the cache is
ThreadLocal, the cache
are not really usable by other threads. What's worse, the
cache can not be
cleared by another thread!
This leak is not so obvious usually. But my case is using
RAMDirectory,
having several hundred megabytes. So one un-released
resource is obvious to
me.
Here is the reference tree:
org.apache.lucene.store.RAMDirectory
|- directory of org.apache.lucene.store.RAMFile
|- file of org.apache.lucene.store.RAMInputStream
|- base of
org.apache.lucene.index.CompoundFileReader$CSIndexInput
|- input of
org.apache.lucene.index.SegmentTermEnum
|- value of java.lang.ThreadLocal
$ThreadLocalMap$Entry
So you have a RAMDir that has several hundred MB stored in
it, that you're done with yet through this path Lucene is
keeping it alive?
Did you close the RAMDir? (which will null its fileMap
and should also free your memory).
Also, that reference tree doesn't show the ThreadResources
class that was added in that commit -- are you sure this
reference tree wasn't before the commit?
Mike
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