On Mar 16, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Mark Miller wrote: > On 03/16/2010 02:57 PM, Grant Ingersoll wrote: >> On Mar 16, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Steven A Rowe wrote: >> >> >>> On 03/16/2010 at 6:06 AM, Michael McCandless wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone know how other projects fold in IRC...? >>>> >>> I gather from the deafening silence that we'll have to figure it out as we >>> go... >>> >>> I think some (not all) of the discomfort associated with IRC could be >>> addressed with a permanent, searchable, linkable archive of #lucene. >>> >>> I went looking for IRC loggers and found http://colabti.org/. One of the >>> things hosted there is a searchable, linkable permanent archive of several >>> freenode channels. I posted on #irclogger asking about hosting #lucene >>> archive, and apparently all we have to do is ask, after first determining >>> that nobody objects. Here's a link (not incidentally, this is exactly what >>> we will have for #lucene once the service is switched on): >>> >>> http://colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_log/irclogger?date=2010-03-16#l2 >>> >>> So, would anybody participating on #lucene object to a permanent archive? >>> >>> (I'm also going to provide a link to this thread on #lucene to make sure >>> everybody there knows about the issue.) >>> >> There's also a lot of chatter that happens on IRC, so logging is going to >> have a lot of noise. I'm still on the fence on what to do. I don't want to >> get in people's way, but we also need to have traceability about decisions, >> and we certainly can't have answers like "We discussed this on IRC and you >> missed it, too bad" happening (not saying that has happening, just saying I >> don't want to see it). >> >> -Grant >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: java-dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: java-dev-h...@lucene.apache.org >> >> > > Even with logging, I'm against using IRC for making decisions, or as > something people can point to. Even with searchable logging, I think we > should stick with, "if id didn't happen on the lists, it didn't happen". Its > the same as when some of us get together and talk about Lucene and Solr - > thats great stuff - you can get a lot done that is a lot harder on the lists > - you can hash a lot out. But I think people should always have the right to > act like it didn't happen - the same as if we are at ApacheCon or something - > we don't come back and say, sorry, you missed all the discussion, but we had > one and this what we are going to do. We summarize the discussion on the list > (like Mike likes to do with IRC), and answer questions as people have them. I > personally think its great to come to mini agreements with real-time talk - > then it just has to make its way through the list. > > This isn't a counter point to anything you said Grant, just a nice place for > me to drop this. >
+1. The ApacheCon talks are a great example of bringing back off list stuff to the list. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: java-dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: java-dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
