Now this may seem like a silly question but I didn't really see a firm answer in the FAQ so I'll ask. It seems that there are two different prots of jdk going on one by Steve Byrne's and the other by Sergey Nikitin. Now I'm sure these are both functional but I'm wondering who's port I should be using or what the differences are. If anyone would care to clear this up for me it would be much appreciated. Thanks, Brad --- There are two kinds of knowledge, you either know the answer or you know where to find it -Kane, Johnson, and anonymous