"Seth M. Landsman" wrote:
>
> > We still don't have anything to work with though, or even
> > acknoledgement that someone who is dealing with the situation has seen
> > my request yet. If this was a truly open source project, we'd have
> > already gotten to the code and fixed it by now :). Instead, we have to
> > wait for someone to give us some code to work with, prefereably without
> > having anything proprietary to Sun so we can all chip in.
>
> This is something which is covered time and time again on this
> list.
Well then I'm sorry. I never saw it mentioned. I had seen plenty of
people: A> Asking when will it be done or B> Asking for everything you
have so they can do it. I had not ever seen anyone ask for a snippet of
non-proprietary code so that a large base of programmers could help at
least determine if the bug was in linuxthreads or on the VM itself.
>
> a. This is not a true open source project. The JDK source code is
> not free nor open source. If you want to find an open source JDK,
> checkout www.classpath.org which is far from being finished, but is free
> and open.
I have always fully realised that and simply made a humorous (to some
of us it seems) comment. Sun has the right to have any license they
want, and I've never thought they were wrong for the one they have
chosen.
> b. The porters of the JDK are under a very strict licensing
> agreement which prevents them from releasing any source at any time or
> even releasing a binary until it passed the a strict set of tests called
> the JCK.
I didn't ask for this either.
> c. The porters read this list, but, methinks, have stopped
> acknowledging the "can I help, even though I haven't read the FAQ", "When
> will this be read already?" and "You guys suck because you aren't
> releasing it under the GPL" questions. They are asked and answered far
> too often.
>
I have read the FAQ and thought my request differed enough from what is
commonly asked. And I never suggested that they should do anylike like
change the license.
> So the answer is, you can help, but you need to get a
> non-commercial license from Sun. This is not open source and never will
> be. Binaries will be released when they are ready and not before. Asking
> will not speed it up.
I wasn't asking for just me. I was hoping to get a piece of code that
both demonstrated the problem and was under no license from Sun. In
doing so I:
Thought a huge number of people could take a whack at it.
Thought we could at least nail down where the bug is.
Thought we could fix said bug.
Realized that nailing down the piece of code that exhibits the problem
could be difficult.
Realized that then generating a hunk of code that could be released
that also exhibited this code without stepping on anyone's license would
be even more difficult.
Realized that most of the important people in the project have a filter
on their mail, stating something to the effect of /1.2|Java\s*2/ &&
killkillkill(); :)
Already appreciate the had work that has gone into the project, and am
in no way trying to pressure anyone to hurry up or wonder "One month
from when?"
Didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
In my best Steve Martin impersonation (which isn't really all that
good):
"Well, excuuuuuuuuuse me."
Sorry for wasting y'alls time.
>
> -Seth (not a member of the porting team, just a lurker)
>
> --
> "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion"
--
Sean Kellner
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
