John; Why are you arguing with Steve ? Isn't he one of the people porting 1.2 to linux ? Let it go, the last thing we need is to have the porters wasting time in this insipid thread. You made your points, let's just leave it at that !!! If you need to discuss your views even more, go to comp.lang.java.advocacy , and I'm sure you'll have fun arguing with people there. Steve, please don't waste time with these threads ... Thanks > > Perhaps you would realize that I did not start this thread? > > I was replying to a message that stated: > > > 4. Linux evangelists : Linux is the future. Java is a fad that will > > probably be overtaken by something else eventually. Think that Java > > does not have the best licensing model (it's not GPL). Java is slow > > because Perl kicks ass in CGI (have never heard of servlets). Can't > > understand why we don't just have a Java to native compiler, > > I do not understand why you are criticizing me for replying to that. If > that post was on-topic, which it seems to be, how can a topical reply not > be? > > Note that in my reply, I mentioned: > > A valid categorization, I believe. I clearly belong best to #4, but a > difference is that I believe that Linux will be overtaken by something else. > Hurd, for instance, when it gets more stable (but we're looking at years > here). > > Clearly Linux-related. Again, people ignore that part of my message. > > I then go on to talk about Java, how it relates to Unix (and Linux), and > then CGI. This was in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. > > > > I fail to see what's wrong with talking about Java's unique benefits and > > > problems in a Java list. > > > > Ok. Let me be REAL clear to you. Your thinking here is confused. You > > believe java-linux to be "*a* Java list"; i.e. you see is as equivalent to > > comp.lang.java. It is not. It is for discussing issues related to Java on > > I never said that. > > > Linux. If you want to engage in debates about larger issues which are really > > Linux independent, then this is NOT THE PLACE FOR YOU. I don't think that I've > > seen anything that you have written criticizing Java is specifically Linux Java > > related, and thus it constitutes a poor and inappropriate use of bandwidth to > > announce your generic opinions on java-linux. > > I was not announcing my generic opinions about Java. I was replying to > others. > > And if you think that Apache, CGI, web servers, and the like are not > Linux-related, well, please take a look at your neighborhood Linux > distribution and realize that they are. > > Note that we would not be talking about Apache or Perl for CGI if this was a > Windows platform, or even many Unices. > > > The comp.lang.java* news groups are a much better place to talk about the > > generic benefits and problems with the Java platform than java-linux. Please > > use them for expressing your generic Java views, ok? Thanks. > > I'm quite willing, and would be glad, to see this thread die. But the > rather brutal attack that I have suffered for merely pointing out that Java > is not always the best is not really justified. I did not start the thread. > I was agreeing with one particular option set forth by another person. It > started out Linux-related. My reply was Linux-related. When people started > replying to me, they chopped out parts of my messages. They did not reply > to the whole message. Several people in here even were thinking that I was > completely against Java, even after I recommended it for some types of > projects! (People never quoted that.) I use Java. I also use other > languages. What am I supposed to do here, refuse to answer because of > underhanded quoting techniques? > > This whole thread has illustrated something: there is a lot of delusion of > grandeur here. People must realize that no language is the best for > everything. As a Linux developer, I have a very high opinion of Linux, but > I do recognize that it has its weaknesses that could make it unsuitable for > some people. As someone that programs in Perl, I have a similar opinion. > Likewise for Java, (despite its poor licensing; the core is good.) > > John -- Augusto Sellhorn GE Harris Energy Control Systems
