Date sent: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:08:28 -0500
From: Martin Little <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Java-Linux mailing list weirdnesses
> Nathan Meyers wrote:
>
> > John Summerfield wrote:
> > > > Perhaps this would be a good time to add a challenge-response mechanism
> > > > to the subscription process -- an initial piece of mail requiring the
> > > > subscriber to confirm the subscription.
> > >
> > > I hate that idea. better to set the list up properly so that mailing errors
> > > go to the list manager, not to the list or its subscribers.
> >
> > Help me understand what's so offensive: I join a list, I get one piece
> > of mail a few minutes later that I have to reply to, and that's it. It's
> > certainly worked smoothly for me on other lists.
> >
> > How does a properly set up list fix this problem? AI logic to scan for
> > key phrases in the complaint letters (such complaints do not always
> > include the word "unsubscribe")? How does it intercept the reply sent
> > personally to me (not the list) saying "please stop sending me mail"?
> > Would it send this note to the list manager because I used the word
> > "unsubscribe"?
> >
> > Nathan
>
> I think there was a misunderstanding about the problem.
>
> The problem isn't bad email addresses in the list, it's about some moron
> who likes to subscribe people who irritate him/her to a bunch of high
> traffic mailing lists like this one.
> The people who are subscribed usually have no idea what a mailing
> list is and just see it as unsolicited email/spam.
> This is becoming more and more common in my experience and
> the challenge/response system would get rid of it in a painless way.
> The footer in the email messages seems to have made a major
> dent in this problem, I think the challenge/response would kill it
> entirely.
>
> ../Martin
>
I got the same Problem yesterday.
I wrote my first message to this list and got 3 "please don't write me
mail" - messages only 24 hours later.
Seems really to be a problem of some guys subscribing someone
else without his permission.
I don't know, if this list really needs a challenge-response
mechanism.
I suppose this list is also running with majordomo or something
comparable.
When setting up my majordomo-lists I used a tag, that prevented
subscriptions of other e-Mail-Adresses than the From-Adr. of the
subcribe-mail.
This should be enough to prevent the most "unwanted-subscribtions"
unless the From-Adr is faked.
If this Option is already set and the subscribtions are made with
faked adrs, I'm afraid there's not much alternitive to a response-
mechanism.
Thorsten
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