Michael Emmel wrote: > Well since your listening <lots_of_stuff> // .... </lots_of_stuff> > I think it's time. WELL DONE! Nice said - I hope that people at sun will stop and contemplate the java potential. Hopefully they will be able to overcome their marketing ambitions, and realize that java is **the** movement. Make the language free and help it become the standard. Or does sun simply want to become M$ in the place of M$? BTW, An interesting deed for sun would be to make sure their managers understand the open source definition (I am sure you forgot to mention about it): http://www.opensource.org/osd.html Sun, please wake up and realize that JCL is failure. Simply put, it takes the freedom out of the programmer (and don't expect for the programmers to be so cruely victimized and like it...). And even worse, they market it as open source! Dimitris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]