Michael- Thank you for your comments. Unfortunately I am not able to respond to your issues on the Community Source. However, I feel you have made some very good points and I am forwarding your comments to the engineering team that is running our Community Source effort. Sheri > Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 23:01:26 -0400 > From: Michael Emmel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: Sheri Good <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: I have a big problem with Sun I retract ! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Sheri Good wrote: > > > Michael- > > > > Thank you for sharing your positive experience regarding > > the recent bug you reported. I am the program manager > > for the group at Sun Microsystems that is reviewing > > those bug reports. The engineers are working hard to > > process and reply to every Bug Report we receive. > > > > We do not automatically bounce all Bug Reports that we > > receive from Linux users as was previously suggested. We do > > review all reports that are well documented and/or contain > > test cases. We verify whether or not the bug report is a > > platform independent problem. But, for those Linux reports > > where wedo not have enough information, we point our users > > to the following page: > > http://java.sun.com/cgi-bin/java-ports.cgi > > > > If there is anything that we can do to improve our Bug Submittal > > program, please let me know and I will look into it. > > > > Thanks, Sheri Good > > > > > Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:00:59 -0400 > > > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 21:30:50 -0400 > > > From: Michael Emmel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > To: Dimitris Vyzovitis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > CC: Rob Nugent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: I have a big problem with Sun I retract ! > > > Resent-Message-ID: <"kJgQK1.0.gm2.6vg2t"@shell> > > > Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > X-Mailing-List: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> archive/latest/6559 > > > X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > X-Rcpt-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > Dimitris Vyzovitis wrote: > > > > > > > Rob Nugent wrote: > > > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > > > > > In my experience the Sun bug reporting system does not work well. I stopped >using it > > > > > since I was just burning cycles and getting annoyed. > > > > > > > > > > I even had a generic defect returned as 'user error' which the Blackdown >folks > > > > > has already diagnosed and fixed and supplied the defect line number for me to > > > > > put into the JavaSoft bug report. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also tried to report some bugs once, but all I got was ignorance.... > > > > Perhaps sun pays attention only to commercial partners ;-} > > > > > > > > Dimitris > > > > > > > > > > Funny I started working with a engineer on a bug at Sun and he was more than >helpful the > > > bug turned out > > > to be in my code. > > > This is the first time I recieved any real suppor from a Sun engineer. > > > In this case it was my bug but maybe next time. > > > > > > This is the first time in over three years that I've gotten any real response >from Sun. > > > Maybe its a start of a trend ?? > > > > > > Mike > > Well since your listening > > As I mentioned I've been programming Java for over three years and have yet to get >this kind > of response. > A applaud your current efforts. BUt I was informed that Linux is not a supported >platform. > This is I assume true. > > If Java and your new SCL program was for real I could simple fix the bug myself and >send the > patch to the > correct people. I'm sure there are many people on the net with a lot of experience >in how to > set up a contribution program. > > > As far as I can tell the SCL is a failure. A snapshot of a source tree is fairly >worthless. > Software is a process > ad various points it becomes somewhat stable and is shipped. > > But you have provided a snap shot of your source tree therefore if any one uses it >they have > no choice but to fork the tree. > And if they do they must pay big bucks to determine if it is in compliance. > > > The SCL should be a open development model You can continue to write your products >but we > should not be forced to > fork to code to make a port. I'm sure that given you support two platform is would >not be hard > to rearranging the development > model such that the current sources can be shared and the platform specific code is >well > isolated. > > The X11 source is a good example of multi platform source. And Netscape is well and >example. > > > This said the source under JCL is almost worthless for a true Community development >program. > This has left us with submitting bugs/feature request to your overloaded team in >hopes that > they get fixed. > And many people including me make mistakes and have a hard time understanding the >process. > Many response are automatic and often there are none at all. > Sometimes things work out. As I said in three years this is the first time I've had >and > enjoyable experience with sun. > And I've probably submitted 10 or so bug reports and there's many I just don't even >try > anymore. > I had pretty much given up hope. > > But consider and open contribution to and active branch of the source tree not bug >reports but > bug fixes. > Then you are left to determine if you wish to include the bug fix or not. > I for one would submit patches along with and explanation of the patch and a >example program > showing the problem > and solution if feasible if not a clear line of reasoning for the code change. > I think a lot of the Linux hacker out there would be more than happy to submit >FIXES not bug > reports given half a > chance. > Anyway I've said my peace and I'm a okay software engineer ( At least I think so ) > And I wish Sun a lot of luck and hope you do the right thing. > > And in closing remember that Java today is bigger than Sun. > Someday you need to let it make its own way in the world. > If its as good as I think it can be then neither Sun nor Microsoft not nay company >can subvert > it. > I notice that Unix has survived the corporate world quit nicely and is moving back >to it's > roots. > I don't want to wait 20 years for Java to fulfill its true promise. > > Any one who read John Loins commentary on Unix realizes that Linux has existed for a >long time > it just took > 20 years for it to be born. Please pick up the book and read it and think hard about > Java. > > I think it's time. > > > Mike > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
