Bernd Kreimeier wrote:
> Michael Emmel writes:
> > There has been a request on the Java Lobby www.javalobby.org
> > To reform the java lobby into a grass roots campaign to allow
> > Java developers to take a lager role in the determination of
> > java's future.
>
> IMO the time and energy is better spent in supporting clean
> room implementations like Japhar or Kaffe, Classpath, TYA,
> or gjc.
Your assuming the two process are mutually exclusive when in fact there
highly synergistic.
>
>
> Once a complete, robust open source clean room VM is
> available and competitive on many platforms, the rules
> will change anyway. Commercial products will have to be
> better, and developer's will always have that fallback.
Not if Sun block's them in court because they don't meet the Sun
controlled java standard.
Sun does have a track record. I could see them protecting us from the
scourge of uncertified free JVM's.
>
>
> Sun's interests are different. No amount of lobbying will
> change that, it's part of the business. In the end, it is
> the code, not the petition, that makes the difference.
The java lobby represents and organization which can collectively
represent
the needs of the individual. This is called a Union in other
industries. This helps Sun by providing a single point of contact
with developers.
Also Sun envisions some sort of Java Community I think the Java Lobby
membership represents the Java Community.
Assuming Suns vision is not strictly a coalition of companies.
To date the individual developer has had no route to get his/here voice
heard Java Lobby provides this route.
Sun can via and simple acknowledgment of the java lobby hear and respond
to developers.
This is a lot better mechanism than random usenet postings and the bug
parade IMHO.
You are also assuming that Sun will not listen I think we both will have
to wait and see.
>
>
> If there is no consolidation of Java's core (language, VM,
> compiler, core classes, JNI, JVMDI), then a good deal of
> its future might well be virtually non-existent anyway.
>
> b.
Well first you say we should not work with Sun then you predict that
fragmentation of the java language will dilute it.
Your last statement is correct. Thus just working on the free VM
implementation's will fragment java as surley as
Microsoft's attack. For java to succeed its best that Sun and the Open
Source community work together on a unified
java. This opens java up to be implemented on any platform using a
standard code base and does not fragment java.
In the case of java the lack of coordination between the Open Source
community and Sun is not a good for java.
I think the Java Lobby provides a group which can allow Sun and the
Open Source community to work together.
I certainly do not see any way this can hurt java.
Mike
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