Louis-David Mitterand, My challenge to you is the same one I have given to many Microsoft-heads: Don't post here again until you can tell us one thing that Microsoft has been truly innovative about. One thing that they did not copy, buy or steal from somewhere else and mass market. One technologically "innovative" thing that came from Bill or Microsoft. One idea that was original, not just a new "standard" that was forced down people's throats by way of market dominance. I've only been beat by one soft-head, so we'll dis-qualify his response up-front. Microsoft Bob does not get credit here. Until you can justify Microsoft's constant claim that they need the ability to innovate, don't stand up for them since this is there theme song today and it has no value. Business innovations (such as forcing manufacturers to buy your O/S even when you don't need it) don't count. -----Original Message----- From: Louis-David Mitterrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sunday, June 13, 1999 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [off-topic] stop MS bashing please (was: Re: -Xrunhprof:cpu=times) |On Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 11:45:19AM +0200, Andre van Dijk wrote: |> On Sun, 13 Jun 1999, Louis-David Mitterrand wrote: |> |> > On Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 01:13:04PM +1000, Chris Kakris wrote: |> > > Juergen Kreileder wrote: |> > > > |> > > > That's because it isn't implemented in pre1 & pre2. It will work with |> > > > the next release. |> > > |> > > Excellent. Thanks. |> > > |> > > Chris (kill -9 Microsoft) Kakris |> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |> > Why don't we recognize and respect competition for what it's worth? |> |> As if MS respects the competition. | |MS is dominant on the desktop and consumer OS for now simply because its |competition has been so lame and disorganized. If MS were so powerful |and monopolistic they would have killed Linux somehow. But they can't. |This alone defeats any argument as MS being an "evil empire". Hell, even |MS uses Linux's success to defend themselves in their antitrust trial! | |> > Moreover preaching to the choir is lame. |> |> [Sorry everyone i just had to reply to this troll] | |It's not a troll. I mean every word. Do you call anything you don't |agree with a "troll"? I don't agree with you but I still respect your |opinions as long as they don't infringe on my own freedom (of expression |or otherwise). | |> Lighten up, most people i know that use Windows every day also like to |> bash MS. It's just harmless fun. Especially for Linux users :-). I mean | |I didn't want to come through as grumpy and serious, sorry about that. | |> we're involved on this list with Java and Linux how much more non-MS can |> you get. So lighten up please. Linux still is a hackers OS, hackers don't |> like tight rules, if this were a corperate list this sort of sigs would |> indeed be inappropriate IMHO. | |Linux people don't even need to acknowledge MS existence. Bashing MS |makes them appear as frustrated, pimple-faced geeks that can't get a |date, let alone a life. Mark my words: Microsoft doesn't exist anymore, |forget Microsoft, it's over, they have lost the server market. But then |so has Sun for that matter. Then we are back on-topic: | |Sun's attitude where Java and Linux is concerned is much worse and |stupider that anything MS would have done. At least MS would have been |straight about it and said "fuck off, no way you guys are getting the |source to this, we set the standards and you keep developing your client |apps". | |Sun instead is trying to find a middle ground between open-source and |proprietary that sucks enormously and frustrates me as a Java developer. |Every day a visit to freshmeat.net slashdot.org shows how lively and |creative the Linux community is. Us java-linux developers we suffer in |silence, waiting the good word from Sun god, the Blackdown porters |spending their energy on stuff that will probably never be released to |the community. | |Have you tried Solaris recently? It sucks when you're used to Linux. No |decent shell, no compiler, no tools, horrible and backward motif GUI, |expensive proprietary hardware (except for Solaris x86 but go find |supported hardware..), expensive everything. Sun is no better than MS |when it comes to locking-in customers and racketting them with upgrade |"taxes". Only they're less successful at it. | |-- |Louis-David Mitterrand - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.aparima.com | |Show me the code or get out of my way. | | |---------------------------------------------------------------------- |To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
