Well said, all around.
Ted Neward
Java Instructor, DevelopMentor ( http://www.develop.com )
http://www.javageeks.com/~tneward
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From: noisebrain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, December 13, 1999 1:07 AM
Subject: appreciating sun
>I find some of the sun-bashing both counter-productive and
>slightly embarrassing.
>
>Personally, I *want* new versions of the jdk to be released
>in synch with the Windows and Solaris releases, rather than
>a year later. I want Sun to support Linux rather than
>think that we're all a bunch of crazed flamers.
>
>Sun made a mistake, but they have apologized now in several places.
>
>The "Sun will never be our friend"/"Sun is an evil corporation"
>speak strikes me both as irrelevant and as a bit immature.
>Despite open source, I doubt that your local supermarket will
>be free anytime soon. Corporations will continue to exist.
>
>Sun is the creator of Java, and they don't have to give it away to
>anyone. They certainly don't have to port it to Linux... but they
>chose to put some little bit of energy into this. The community
>does appreciate Blackdown. Why resent Sun for helping us?
>
>"We don't need Sun"/use Kaffe/etc. No, I think we do: Java wouldn't
>have become a standard without Sun's backing, and Java wouldn't
>be worth my mindshare if it wasn't a standard - there are other
>more advanced/interesting languages out there, but most people
>can't afford to re-invent the wheel in an advanced but obscure language.
> Further, Sun is driving Java development, Kaffe isn't. No one
>is preventing the open source community from pushing Java ahead,
>or from developing a better-than-java successor, etc. Historically
>though Open Source seems to do well at re-implementing well established
>standards. One of my gripes with Linux is that it has a 70s mindset -
>anything that is late 90s (streaming media, videoconferencing, java)
>will be part of your packaged RH cd years after it appears on win/mac.
>
>"Sun doesn't get open source." Well, Sun is a corporation, but
>among corporations they seem to get it more than most. McNealy(?)
>said last week that the software is becoming free, they're releasing
>source to Solaris (albeit under their license), etc.
>
>Sun has apologized, so has Inprise, let's accept their apologies
>for a change?
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