isso aqui nao era uma lista de Java? meu, pra quem quiser, tenho certeza que tem um monte de lista de discussoes desse tipo Linux x Windows, Bill Gates: Problema ou Solu��o, etc. por ai. sei la. acho que o lance aqui e java. Floyd At Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:33:23 -0300, Israel Ribeiro Martins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Concordo plenamente contigo Marcelo, a microinform�tica deve muito a >Microsoft > > > > >-----Mensagem original----- >De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Enviada em: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 9:36 AM >Para: JB; SouJava >Assunto: Re: [SouJava-J] MS-C# X Sun-Java Ser� que vinga ou ser� uma >vingan�a ???? > > >Concordo... > > >S� que s� agora com Linux � que o o Unix est� vindo para >MICROCOMPUTADORES... DOM�STICOS... E isto, meu caro amigo, vc DEVE a >BILL >GATES, goste ou N�O... Ent�o estude vc um pouco mais.. n�o inform�tica >mas >HIST�RIA... E mais uma coisa: n�o leva as coisas sempre por tr�s... >como >est� fazendo agora...... > > > >Marcelo Sanches > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "JB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Marcelo Sanches" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "SouJava" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 8:28 PM >Subject: Re: [SouJava-J] MS-C# X Sun-Java Ser� que vinga ou ser� uma >vingan�a ???? > > >Prezado Senhor Marcelo Sanches: > > Em rela��o ao seu coment�rio quero dizer que o Unix, sistema operacional >do qual se "criou" o Linux, j� existia muito antes do Windows, ent�o, > antes >de fazer afirma��es absurdas, um pouco de estudo se torna necess�rio. > >Jo�o Batista Ribas de Moura >Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer > >-----Mensagem Original----- >De: Marcelo Sanches <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Para: SouJava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Enviada em: segunda-feira, 26 de junho de 2000 16:30 >Assunto: Re: [SouJava-J] MS-C# X Sun-Java Ser� que vinga ou ser� uma >vingan�a ???? > > >> Gozado. >> >> Eu vejo todo mundo meter o pau na MS, dizendo que � isso que � aquilo; >� >uma >> merd...; � uma bost... >> >> Agora, n�o esque�am que foi gra�as a Bill Gates que a microinform�tica >> cresceu e � o que � hoje; ou vcs se esqueceram que a pr�pria IBM torceu >o >> nariz, e deu o DOS e o PC, respectivamente para Microsoft e Intel?? >> >> A Microsoft tem problemas, sim, mas, ningu�m pode negar que foi gra�as >a >ela >> que puderam surgir sistemas como LInux e o pr�prio Java. Sim, por >que at� >o >> "�dio" contra ela gera produtos ( os respectivos ditos ). >> >> Ent�o colegas, se a MS vai lan�ar algo como o Java, que seja bem vindo, >pois >> � mais uma forma de podermos ter melhorias e avan�os tecnol�gicos. >Quem >sabe >> com isso o Java, assim como outra linguagem, possa melhorar ainda >mais? >> >> >> >> Abs. >> >> Marcelo Sanches >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bruno Souza - Sun do Brasil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Simone Freire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "SouJava" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Sun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Javanes" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 2:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [SouJava-J] MS-C# X Sun-Java Ser� que vinga ou ser� uma >> vingan�a ???? >> >> >> >> Considerando que na especificacao fala: >> >> C# addresses these problems by: >> Including native support for the Component Object Model (COM) >> and Windows�-based APIs. >> >> Isso nos mostra que vai rodar em qualquer plataforma, basta >> ser Windows... :o) Outra mostra do "compromisso" com outras >> plataformas eh que os dois arquivos de documentacao disponiveis >> sao .exe, e portanto, nao posso usar o meu Linux para >> abri-los e comentar um pouco mais... >> >> A partir do que foi divulgado por eles, isso eh uma mistureba >> de C, C++, Java e VB. Bem, essa eh a 9 tentativa da Microsoft >> de minar o movimento Java e Internet, e mais uma vez eles >> comecaram mal... Tudo bem, eles nunca entenderam essa tal de >> Internet mesmo, nao vai ser agora que vao dar uma dentro... >> >> Abracos, >> >> Bruno. >> >> >Essa Microsoft vai ter que correr muito pra tomar o >> >espaco da linguagem Java. Principalmente se continuar >> >oferecendo solucoes proprietarias e se esse tal de >> >de C# nao for multiplataforma. >> >Andre. >> > >> >--- Javanes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> MS-C# X Sun-Java >> >> http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20000622S0013 >> >> Microsoft's Web Language >> >> >> >> Due Next Week >> >> (06/22/00, 7:21 p.m. ET) By Elizabeth >> >> Montalbano, CRN >> >> >> >> Microsoft on Monday will unveil a >> >> programming language aimed at >> >> improving >> >> productivity for the development of >> >> Web >> >> applications. >> >> >> >> Initial reports indicate the new >> >> language, a >> >> hybrid of C and C++ called C# >> >> (pronounced cee-sharp), behaves much >> >> like Java, Sun Microsystems' >> >> technology >> >> for cross-platform development. But >> >> Microsoft (stock: MSFT) executives >> >> insist >> >> C# does nothing of the kind. >> >> >> >> "It's very different from Java," said >> >> David >> >> Lazar, a product manager at Microsoft, >> >> Redmond, Wash. "Java is trying to >> >> solve a >> >> different problem. [It] has >> >> applications >> >> running in different places. What >> >> customers really want is to get all of >> >> their >> >> applications running in one place, and >> >> this >> >> is what C# [enables them to do]." >> >> >> >> Tony Goodhew, Visual C++ Microsoft >> >> product manager, concurs that C# is in >> >> no >> >> way a response to Java. It is designed >> >> to >> >> give developers a faster and better >> >> way to >> >> build Web applications in the >> >> tradition of >> >> C and C++ programming languages, he >> >> said. >> >> >> >> "C# is designed to provide >> >> [developers] >> >> with a highly productive way of >> >> building >> >> applications and components for the >> >> Web >> >> services world," Goodhew said. "C and >> >> C++ developers tell us they want more >> >> productivity, but they want to stay >> >> close to >> >> that heritage and have more power and >> >> control. C# gives you better >> >> productivity, >> >> but allows you to leverage the full >> >> power >> >> of the [Internet] platform." >> >> >> >> Goodhew would not comment on whether >> >> C#, like Java, is a cross-platform >> >> language. This is an important point >> >> to >> >> consider, however, in the development >> >> of >> >> Web applications, said Scott Hebner, >> >> director of e-business technology >> >> marketing at IBM's software group, >> >> Armonk, N.Y. >> >> >> >> Hebner said that if Microsoft wants to >> >> push C# as a viable new Web >> >> application >> >> development technology, the language >> >> must be able to develop applications >> >> that >> >> can operate outside of Microsoft's >> >> Windows. >> >> >> >> "The value of the Internet is that >> >> it's based >> >> on open standards -- it's >> >> vendor-neutral," >> >> Hebner said. "If the result of the >> >> [C#] >> >> technology is that it locks you into a >> >> particular operating system >> >> environment >> >> or becomes a control point of a >> >> vendor, >> >> that's not consistent with that value. >> >> In >> >> order for Microsoft to be keeping in >> >> line >> >> with current development, C# must be >> >> able to create applications for >> >> platforms >> >> outside just a Windows operating >> >> environment." >> >> >> >> Despite the assertions of Microsoft >> >> executives, if C# is indeed a >> >> programming >> >> language that can create business >> >> logic for >> >> Web applications, it in essence is >> >> doing >> >> what Java does, Hebner said. >> >> >> >> "The question becomes then: Why aren't >> >> you moving your developers to Java?" >> >> Hebner said. "In the final analysis, >> >> they've >> >> created another alternative language >> >> when >> >> they should've gone to the de facto >> >> standard [for deploying Web >> >> applications], which is Java." >> >> >> >> Microsoft's use of Java is currently >> >> limited by a lawsuit with Sun (stock: >> >> SUNW) over Java licensing. In 1997, >> >> Sun >> >> sued Microsoft for allegedly breaching >> >> its >> >> Java licensing agreement by >> >> "polluting" >> >> Java to create programs that run only >> >> on >> >> Windows when Java was created to be >> >> compatible with all operating systems. >> >> >> >> >> >> Sun will not comment on C# until it >> >> actually knows what the new technology >> >> is, a company spokesman said. >> >> >> >> "At this time, there's nothing for us >> >> to look >> >> at, there's no specification," he >> >> said. >> >> >> >> --------------------------- LISTA SOUJAVA >> >> --------------------------- >> >> http://www.soujava.org.br - Sociedade de >> >> Usu�rios Java da Sucesu-SP >> >> [d�vidas mais comuns: >> >> http://www.soujava.org.br/faq.htm] >> >> [para sair da lista: >> >> http://www.soujava.org.br/forum/cadastrados.htm] >> >> [regras da lista: >> >> http://www.soujava.org.br/regras.htm] >> >> >> >> >> >----------------------------------------------------------------- >---- >> >> >> > >> > >> >__________________________________________________ >> >Do You Yahoo!? >> >Get Yahoo! 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