Yes, normal merging will cause this problem as well. Generally you should always use IndexReader.reopen -- it gives much better reopen speed, less resources used, less GC, etc.
Mike On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Sertic Mirko, Bedag <mirko.ser...@bedag.ch> wrote: > Mike > > Thank you so much for your feedback! > > Will the new IndexDeletionPolicy also be considered when segments are merged? > Does merging also affect the NFS problem? > > Should I use IndexReader.reOpen() or just create a new IndexReader? > > Thanks in advance > Mirko > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Michael McCandless [mailto:luc...@mikemccandless.com] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Januar 2010 16:14 > An: java-user@lucene.apache.org > Betreff: Re: NFS, Stale File Handle Problem and my thoughts.... > > Right, it's only machine A that needs the deletion policy. All > read-only machines just reopen on their schedule (or you can use some > communication means a Shai describes to have lower latency reopen > after the writer commits). > > Also realize that doing searching over NFS does not usually give very > good performance... (though I've heard that mounting read-only can > improve performance). > > Mike > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Sertic Mirko, Bedag > <mirko.ser...@bedag.ch> wrote: >> Hi Mike >> >> Thank you for your feedback! >> >> So I would need the following setup: >> >> a) Machine A with custom IndexDeletionPolicy and single IndexReader instance >> b) Machine B with custom IndexDeletionPolicy and single IndexReader instance >> c) Machine A and B periodically check if the index needs to be reopened, at >> least at 12 o'clock >> d) Machine A runs an Index update and optimization at 8 o'clock, using the >> IndexDeletionPolicy. The IndexDeletionPolicy keeps track of the files to be >> deleted. >> e) On Machine A, the no longer needed files are taken from the >> IndexDeletionPolicy, and deleted at 12:30. At this point the files to be >> deleted should no longer be required by any IndexReader and can be safely >> deleted. >> >> So the IndexDeletionPolicy should be a kind of Singleton, and in fact would >> only be needed on Machine A, as only here index modifications are made. >> Machine B has read only access. >> >> Would this be a valid setup? The only limitation is there is only ONE >> IndexWriter box, and multiple IndexReader boxes. Based on our requirements, >> this should fix very well. I really want to avoid some kind of index >> replication between the boxes... >> >> Regards >> Mirko >> >> >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Michael McCandless [mailto:luc...@mikemccandless.com] >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Januar 2010 14:45 >> An: java-user@lucene.apache.org >> Betreff: Re: NFS, Stale File Handle Problem and my thoughts.... >> >> Right, you just need to make a custom IndexDeletionPolicy. NFS makes >> no effort to protect deletion of still-open files. >> >> A simple approach is one that only deletes a commit if it's more than >> XXX minutes/hours old, such that XXX is set higher than the frequency >> that IndexReaders are guaranteed to have reopened. >> >> The TestDeletionPolicy unit test in Lucene's sources has the >> ExperiationTimeDeletionPolicy that you can use (but scrutinize!). >> >> Another alternative is to simply reopen the reader whenever you hit >> Stale file handle (think of it as NFS's means of notifying you that >> your reader is no longer current ;) ). But, if reopen time is >> potentially long for your app, it's no good to make queries pay that >> cost and the deletion policy is better. >> >> Mike >> >> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Sertic Mirko, Bedag >> <mirko.ser...@bedag.ch> wrote: >>> h...@all >>> >>> >>> >>> We are using Lucene 2.4.1 on Debian Linux with 2 boxes. The index is >>> stored on a common NFS share. Every box has a single IndexReader >>> instance, and one Box has an IndexWriter instance, adding new documents >>> or deleting existing documents at a given point in time. After adding or >>> deleting the documents, a IndexWriter.optimize() is called. Every box >>> checks periodically with IndexReader.isCurrent if the index needs to be >>> reopened. >>> >>> >>> >>> Now, we are encountering a "Stale file handle" error on box b after the >>> index was modified and optimized by box a. >>> >>> >>> >>> As far as i understand the problem with NFS is that box b tries to >>> open/access a file that was deleted by box a on the NFS share. >>> >>> >>> >>> The question is now, when are files deleted? Does only the index >>> optimization delete files, or can files be deleted just by adding or >>> removing documents from an existing index? >>> >>> >>> >>> I now that there might be a better setup with Lucene and index >>> replication, but this is an existing application and we cannot change >>> the architecture now. So what would be the best solution? >>> >>> >>> >>> Can I just "change" the way Lucene deletes files? I think that just >>> renaming no longer needed files would be good on NFS. After every >>> IndexReader has reopened the index, the renamed files can be safely >>> deleted, as they are definitely no longer needed. Where would be the >>> hook point? I heard something about IndexDeletionPolicy.... >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks in advance! >>> >>> >>> >>> Mirko >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: java-user-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: java-user-h...@lucene.apache.org >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: java-user-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: java-user-h...@lucene.apache.org >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: java-user-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: java-user-h...@lucene.apache.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: java-user-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: java-user-h...@lucene.apache.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: java-user-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: java-user-h...@lucene.apache.org
