Yes Isie,
you got my vote!
Karsten
Isie Masri wrote:
> I think Sun needs to rethink it's Java deployment strategy as whole. If Java
> is going to survive a viable web/client platform this would need to be
> addressed soon. Java and Java 3D should be able to be installed by a non
> technical user as a result of a single click on a web site. In addition Java
> and Java3D are way to big and typical home users with a 56k line won't
> be to inclined to download a 7.5 MB plug-in. Perhaps a solution to this
> problem would be to download a small auto-updatedable plug-in that would
> only *download* the needed components for the target application. Viewpoint
> uses this strategy with their plug-in.
>
> Isie Masri
> CTO
> Xtivia Technologies
>
> At 07:12 AM 5/11/2001 -0500, John Wright wrote:
> >Quoting from the license on the website:
> >
> >These Supplement terms shall supersede any inconsistent or conflicting
> >terms in the Agreement, or in any license contained within the Software.
> >
> >1. License to Distribute. Sun grants to Licensee a non-exclusive,
> >non-transferable, royalty-free limited license to reproduce and
> >distribute the binary code form of the Licensed Software provided that
> >Licensee:
> >
> >(A) distributes the Licensed Software complete and unmodified (except
> >for the specific files identified as optional in the Licensed Software
> >README file), only as part of, and for the sole purpose of running,
> >Licensee's Java compatible applet or application ("Program") into which
> >the Licensed Software is incorporated;
> >
> >Doesn't this give us the right to redistribute Java 3D Runtime? It does
> >not state anything about HOW we redistribute it.
> >
> >If Sun does not give us these rights they might as well put big bold
> >letters on the website stating "DO NOT BOTHER TO ACTUALLY DEVELOP A
> >PROGRAM WITH THIS SOFTWARE BECAUSE ONLY TECHNICALLY SKILLED PEOPLE WILL
> >BE ABLE TO INSTALL YOUR PROGRAM". Cripes the people on this list have
> >struggled repeatedly just to get Java 3D installed. Now we are being
> >told to direct our CUSTOMERS to download Java 3D from Sun's website???
> >
> >- John Wright
> >Starfire Research
> >
> >"Crossley, Allistair" wrote:
> > >
> > > I am really quite disappointed by the Java3D distribution process. I am not
> > > sure what Sun can gain from forcing people through the unhelpful download
> > > process other than getting people to agree to the license online which has
> > > the only interpretation it seems that you have to download the installer
> > > from Sun (go figure). Anyone anywhere in the world can click that they
> > agree
> > > to the license and gain the installer.
> > >
> > > However, we are allowed to bundle the Java3D installer INSIDE the
> > > application (rather from the application public homepage). What does this
> > > mean if I want to make sure ALL Java3D users can run my application? Well,
> > > it means I have to bundle ALL versions of Java3D in the distribution (if I
> > > want a central distribution, and making the distribution larger) OR create
> > > as many distributions as there are system versions of Java3D (very poor
> > from
> > > a maintenance point of view).
> > >
> > > So, I am asking Sun to review their Java3D distribution process. I would be
> > > happy enough if just the bundling process was easier. As a Java3D
> > > application developer, I want at least the option, to distribute my
> > > application ONCE and make sure all versions of Java3D are in the
> > > distribution. This means I want the 4 core JARs AND the specific libraries
> > > for system specific installation. A structure like
> > >
> > > j3dapp
> > > - classes
> > > - j3d
> > > - jars
> > > - lib
> > > - win
> > > - solaris
> > >
> > > And a simple script that installs these into the relevant locations
> > would be
> > > enough. I do not have UNIX or access to UNIX so there is no sense asking me
> > > to unpack the Solaris version and create this structure myself.
> > >
> > > Failing all this...scrap the online download process and let us all link
> > > directly to Sun's site if they are so bent on keeping it there.
> > >
> > > Am I alone in this thinking or are there others out there?
> > >
> > > Many thanks,
> > >
> > > Allistair
> > > www.adcworks.com
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Allistair Crossley
> > > Web/New Media Consultant
> > > Logica UK Ltd
> > > Tel: 02074 463267
> > > Mob: 07884 056274
> > >
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