This is 2:37 pm est and nothing has shown up on the list since 7pm last night. So I assume its broken. I hope postings are getting through.... Very nice link on 3d programming, all opengl, but most of the knowledge is sound. I also answered my questions on multi-texturing here. http://nehe.gamedev.net/ Dave Yazel =========================================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA3D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help".