| I have a dream ... And that dream can't be [ done on ] | ... the web [ with the current browsers - ? - ] ... | The *only* missing piece, is a Cosmo level | _ open source _ VRML-97 stand alone browser ... | Sylvain wrote | http://nooz.org/comp.lang.vrml/msg01456.html YES ! ! ! YES ! ! ! Y E S ! ! ! Y E S ! ! ! Web3d is _ NOW _ making your dream come true ! - Open Source VRML Loaders - Open Source VRML Viewers These are _ cross platform _ solutions: Windows, Linux, Solaris, and others (the mac is a maybe, on OS-X?) With these you can load & view, control, network -- do VR stuff -- 1) In a browser ~~~ or ~~~ 2) In _ YOUR _ stand alone application ( NO BROWSER ). Either one, _YOU_ pick, _YOUR_ choice, do both, have a ball. You can, ( with a newish machine with a good card ) do : - FULL SCREEN 3d - FULL hardware acceleration ( FULL frame rates of your monitor ) - FULL access to the hard drive for read & write ( within a secure protective security model * ) * ( ~~~ if - if - if ~~~ if the user grants that permission ----- which can be granted once when installed ) Isn't that **** EXACTLY **** what you want ? | I'm not interested in the web [ using a browser ] | I'm interested in virtual reality ... | that can be shared over the internet - | Sylvain wrote Great, that's music to my ears ! Are you trying to seduce me ? I agree, we shouldn't be ... and I am _NOT_ limited to the browser, tied to a single, or just a few OSes, or CPUs. Comrades we are then! I can now run the _same_ VRML files _ without change _ : 1 ) in a stand-alone Application, with NO BROWSER, with my code. 2 ) in a browser with a plug-in ( I use Cosmo -- IE & Netscape ) 3 ) in a browser with NO plug-in 4 ) in Windows, Macintosh, Linux & others -- the Web & More -- I'm using a version of an old VRML loader -- circa 1999 -- it only works with a subset of VRML-97, but it is enough to run H-Anim Avatars -- with multiple "Gestures" --- VRML animations triggered by VRML Sensor Nodes. Smarter Groups of people in Web3d have done More than me. | | Are you developing for the Web ? | | Perhaps dropping the plug-in is best ? [ I asked ] | | No, not the web, the internet. | Yes, stand alone application. No other way to go. | Sylvain wrote ( in comp.lang.vrml ) Great, people are doing that now, links to them have been posted: " Webots : Wheeled Vehicles you control " ( 3d, networked ) http://www.cyberbotics.com/webots/screenshots/index.html " RoboForge ": Robot Combat Warfare, Networked Game http://www.roboforge.net/visuals2.htm# http://www.roboforge.net/movies.htm http://www.roboforge.net/movies/rfdemo2.mpg ( 10 Meg ) " Simulating Robots & Human Animation on the Web " ( long ;^) ------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.vrml.org/WorkingGroups/h-anim/hypermail/2001/0028.html http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&th=a99fedcbbe3cf21b&ic=1 Sylvain ... " Those require a HUGE download !?! " -- is that your concern ? Sylvain ... What if some ___ really big ___ company, put it all ... ... all on a CD ... and sent out __ MILLIONS __ of those CDs ... with *** EVERYTHING *** people needed ... what if a really big company, had __ thousands __ of cable modems subscribers ... what if a really big company had __ TENS OF MILLIONS __ of internet subscribers and sent them all CDs with all that stuff ... the program, the libraries, the drivers, all on a CD ... for free ... What if ... say ... AOL-TimeWarner-Netscape-RoadRunner ... ... did that ... Wouldn't that solve your problem ? Wouldn't that let you : do Virtual Reality -- Networked -- across the Net ? ~~~ without ~~~ the limitations of the plug-ins ? That could happen, it could happen soon ... Perhaps a ~~~ new ~~~ book would be both exciting & liberating: "Distributed Virtual Worlds : ... Using Vrml, Java, and Corba" -------------------------------- | everyone connected to the Internet can directly | enter a virtual world __ without __ installing | a new kind of software. The VRML technology offers ... | interactive three-dimensional ... [ coming March 31, 2001 ] | | Stephan Diehl, author & General Chair of __Web3D__2001__ | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/3540676244/ Meet the Author ( Web3D : Paderborn, 19-22 Feb 2001 ) ---------------- he presents a paper about Web3d / Java3d " Component Based Model ... Presentation Using Java3D " | http://www.c-lab.de/web3d/program/program.html --- perhaps you should retire the out of print books --- VRML: As Application -- NO Browser -- AND - Web / No Plugin ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/java3d_and_vrml.html http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/H-Anim_Avatars.html Disclaimers : Nothing new -- I know nothing -- except a little Java. -- Paul, Java Developer & Web Animator. -------------------------------------------------------------------- " Imaging the Imagined ": Modeling with Math & a keyboard. =========================================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA3D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help".
