I think Sun needs to rethink it's Java deployment strategy as whole. If Java
is going to survive a viable web/client platform this would need to be
addressed soon. Java and Java 3D should be able to be installed by a non
technical user as a result of a single click on a web site. In addition Java
and Java3D are way to big and typical home users with a 56k line won't
be to inclined to download a 7.5 MB plug-in. Perhaps a solution to this
problem would be to download a small auto-updatedable plug-in that would
only *download* the needed components for the target application. Viewpoint
uses this strategy with their plug-in.
Isie Masri
CTO
Xtivia Technologies
At 07:12 AM 5/11/2001 -0500, John Wright wrote:
>Quoting from the license on the website:
>
>These Supplement terms shall supersede any inconsistent or conflicting
>terms in the Agreement, or in any license contained within the Software.
>
>1. License to Distribute. Sun grants to Licensee a non-exclusive,
>non-transferable, royalty-free limited license to reproduce and
>distribute the binary code form of the Licensed Software provided that
>Licensee:
>
>(A) distributes the Licensed Software complete and unmodified (except
>for the specific files identified as optional in the Licensed Software
>README file), only as part of, and for the sole purpose of running,
>Licensee's Java compatible applet or application ("Program") into which
>the Licensed Software is incorporated;
>
>Doesn't this give us the right to redistribute Java 3D Runtime? It does
>not state anything about HOW we redistribute it.
>
>If Sun does not give us these rights they might as well put big bold
>letters on the website stating "DO NOT BOTHER TO ACTUALLY DEVELOP A
>PROGRAM WITH THIS SOFTWARE BECAUSE ONLY TECHNICALLY SKILLED PEOPLE WILL
>BE ABLE TO INSTALL YOUR PROGRAM". Cripes the people on this list have
>struggled repeatedly just to get Java 3D installed. Now we are being
>told to direct our CUSTOMERS to download Java 3D from Sun's website???
>
>- John Wright
>Starfire Research
>
>"Crossley, Allistair" wrote:
> >
> > I am really quite disappointed by the Java3D distribution process. I am not
> > sure what Sun can gain from forcing people through the unhelpful download
> > process other than getting people to agree to the license online which has
> > the only interpretation it seems that you have to download the installer
> > from Sun (go figure). Anyone anywhere in the world can click that they
> agree
> > to the license and gain the installer.
> >
> > However, we are allowed to bundle the Java3D installer INSIDE the
> > application (rather from the application public homepage). What does this
> > mean if I want to make sure ALL Java3D users can run my application? Well,
> > it means I have to bundle ALL versions of Java3D in the distribution (if I
> > want a central distribution, and making the distribution larger) OR create
> > as many distributions as there are system versions of Java3D (very poor
> from
> > a maintenance point of view).
> >
> > So, I am asking Sun to review their Java3D distribution process. I would be
> > happy enough if just the bundling process was easier. As a Java3D
> > application developer, I want at least the option, to distribute my
> > application ONCE and make sure all versions of Java3D are in the
> > distribution. This means I want the 4 core JARs AND the specific libraries
> > for system specific installation. A structure like
> >
> > j3dapp
> > - classes
> > - j3d
> > - jars
> > - lib
> > - win
> > - solaris
> >
> > And a simple script that installs these into the relevant locations
> would be
> > enough. I do not have UNIX or access to UNIX so there is no sense asking me
> > to unpack the Solaris version and create this structure myself.
> >
> > Failing all this...scrap the online download process and let us all link
> > directly to Sun's site if they are so bent on keeping it there.
> >
> > Am I alone in this thinking or are there others out there?
> >
> > Many thanks,
> >
> > Allistair
> > www.adcworks.com
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Allistair Crossley
> > Web/New Media Consultant
> > Logica UK Ltd
> > Tel: 02074 463267
> > Mob: 07884 056274
> >
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