For animating VRML ... the old Sun VRML Loaders often WORK ... on files where the 'new' Xj3d VRML Loaders fail ...
people should know know the facts and use what's best for their appliction. +----------- Xj3D VRML Loaders Status --------------- |______________________________________________________________ | |___ Node ______________|____ Works / Compliant Status _______ | | | _____________________ | __Java3D __ OpenGL __ Mobile ___ | | AudioClip __________ | ___ No ___ No ___ No ___ | CylinderSensor ______ | ___ No ___ No ___ No ___ | Extrusion ___________ | ___ No ___ No ___ No ___ | MovieTexture _______ | ___ No ___ No ___ No ___ | PlaneSensor _________ | ___ No ___ No ___ No ___ | Sound _______________ | ___ No ___ No ___ No ___ | SphereSensor ________ | ___ No ___ No ___ No ___ | +--------------------------------------------------------- | +--- xj3d is non compliant --- | http://www.xj3d.org/status.html | +-- * not all nodes shown, edited, not represntative sample --- Joerg Scheurich aka MUFTI wrote: >> >> The Sun VRML Loaders and Xj3D VRML Loaders are different. >> >> >> Neither is spec compliant. > > > Currently true, cause none of them are ready. > > But Xj3D will define the future VRML 200X spec..... > > so long > > MUFTI [ wrote to the newsgroup comp.lang.vrml ] > http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=ap4aaa%24m12%242%40news.uni-stuttgart.de&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dcomp.lang.vrml Right, but what works *** BEST *** ~~~ NOW ~~~ ---------------------------------------------- and what do you do if your VRML doesn't work on the 'new' Loaders ... Using the 'old' reliable browsers is an option ___ THAT WORKS ___ on many files ___ that FAIL ____ with the 'new' Loaders. So if you want to do something ___ TODAY ___ the 'new' loaders might best be left to ripen a little. Screen Shots: VRML Loaders: Yumetech's & Suns: --------------------------------------------- http://www.xj3d.org/xj3d-image1.jpg http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/sc_java3d_vs_plugin.jpg http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/java3d_and_vrml.html I've made these ".mov" movies _ these VRML files with Java3d: http://home.rochester.rr.com/javajava/media/fem_torso_nurbs.mov http://home.rochester.rr.com/javajava/media/darts_animation_movie.mov http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/shout3d/models/StudioMax_Biped.wrl http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/shout3d/models/femTorsoNurbsGrid.wrl http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/shout3d/models/H-Anim/darts_animation_VRML.wrl as described here, with the Java JMF & the Sun VRML Loaders: http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/java3d_and_vrml.html http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/nurbs.html | | Subject: Load VRML interpolators [ for animation ] ?? | | | I'd like to create an animated scene in 3DS Max | and to load it with a VRML loader in Java3D. | | But in the scene the loader returns, | there is no behavior nodes and no interpolator nodes ! | | Is there any way to load animations from any 3D file format ? | | Thanks, Matthieu Beghin [ wrote to Sun's Java3d-interest list ] | http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0209&L=java3d-interest&P=46248 Yes, certainly. -------------- You can do that with VRML, Java3d & the Sun VRML Loaders. You can find the answer to lots of your questions in the Sun Java3d-interest list archives: http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?S1=java3d-interest I just searched it and found your answer ( written by me ;^) ): "3dsmax ( 3d Studio Max ) exports to VRML for Web Animation" ------------------------------------------------------------ http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0112&L=java3d-interest&P=R871 You can animate VRML on the Web in 3d ... - H-Anim Avatars - with Sound, Billboard Nodes and other VRML features. - with Gesture Animations activated by Touch Sensors - with image Textures. - run it on the web in Netscape, Mozilla, or Microsoft Internet Explorer - run it on Windows & Linux - run it as a stand alone application - load local & remote ( web ) files (for remote run as application) - in a safe, secure, non-privacy invading environment with ___ free software __ - load files specified from the command line, or interactive file box - read, write and render VRML files. - with the modern, object-oriented-programming & portability of Java. - with High School programming skills ... with Java3d and the Sun VRML Loaders. The Sun VRML Loaders and Xj3D VRML Loaders are different. Neither is spec compliant. The Xj3d VRML Loaders may lack some of the capabilities listed above. Alan Hudson ( Giles ) wrote: | | The code works fine as a geometry loader, | but more then that and you really are stretching | its limits. | | Paul will try to convince you otherwise, | but thats ______ his fantasy. _____ | | -- Alan Hudson, President: Yumetech, Inc. http://www.yumetech.com/ | | Web3D Open Source Chair http://www.web3d.org/TaskGroups/source/ | | http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0210&L=java3d-interest&P=22788 No, No, No, No, No, No, No, but __ Thank You __ for trying. -------------------------- I guess the " Couch - Beitler Flame War " continues. The Truth is with my code I can -- as I have said -- animate VRML based H-Anim Avatars with Gesture Animations triggered by mouse events on VRML Sensors in Netscape, Mozilla, and Micosoft Internet Explorer and access both local files from the command line or file dialog pop up box, and access remote ( web ) data files, reading, rendering, and writting VRML with the Sun VRML Loaders. If you've tried and failed, I'm sorry. Neither the old VRML Loaders from Sun nor your new ones are fully spec compliant is my understanding, and I have not, and will not, claim the Sun VRML Loaders are fully spec compliant --- unless they are -- and they are not fully spec compliant. The Prentice Hall book by Aaron Walsh with Justin Couch falsely and I believe fraudulently leaves the impresssion the Sun VRML Loaders cannot be used to animate the VRML based Web3d.org H-Anim Avatars: that is known to be false. The U.S. NIST Labs demonstrate obsolete and inferior methods of web based VRML animation and the NIST staff has hindered the advancement of Web based VRML Animation with Java: http://ovrt.nist.gov/vrmlexamples.html http://ovrt.nist.gov/home.html http://ovrt.nist.gov/projects/mfg/SIMA/deneb2vrml/wang/workcell/pcar/PCAR.wrl http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/sc_manufacturing_simulation.jpg http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/java3d_and_vrml.html http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/games_with_java3d.html Robert Lipman's NIST VRML molecule, rendered with Java3d: -------------------------------------------------------- | "Scientific, Engineering, and Mathematical VRML Worlds" | ------------------------------------------------------ | Robert Lipman, NIST, Computer-Integrated Construction Group | | http://cic.nist.gov/lipman/vrml/hitdensity.wrl | | http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/sc_molecules_vrml.jpg | | http://cic.nist.gov/lipman/vrml/index.html | http://cic.nist.gov/lipman/sciviz/images/hit1.gif | http://cic.nist.gov/lipman/sciviz/random.html | | http://cic.nist.gov/lipman/sciviz/random.html | http://cic.nist.gov/lipman/sciviz/ | http://cic.nist.gov/lipman/vrml/ | http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/molecular_modeling.html Our US NIST's Robert Lipman wrote: --------------------------------- | | The Shout3D and blaxxun3D versions | | ___ do not __ require any plug-in. | http://cic.nist.gov/lipman/vrml/ Right, so you can have VRML animation in a browser ----- without ---- a plug-in, and have it work on Windows, Linux, the Macintosh .. the Web ... but you can also animate VRML with Java3d in a browser. 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