'new' Xj3d Loader Failure Problem Report posted to Java3d-interest List -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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WORKS GREAT with the 'old' Sun VRML Loaders ... screen capture of VRML Loaders Working with your VRML file: http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/vrml_loaders_working.html http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/sc_vrml_loader_working.jpg [ in reply to post to java3d-interest list ]: Problems with 'new' Xj3d VRML Loaders: -------------------------------------- | JAVA3D-INTEREST archives -- October 2002 (#424) | | Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 | Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sender: Discussion list for Java 3D API | From: Claus Giesenberg | Subject: VRML97Loader( Xj3D M5 )[ Fails to work with my VRML file ] | | Hi ! | | Some time ago I developed an own browser that uses the class | VRML97Loader(Xj3D M2). | | Since the replacement of this Loaders against | the new VRML97Loader(Xj3D M5) two mistakes occur. | | 1) A static VRML-file is loaded indeed, | but it is not represented although lights | are available in scene and file. | | Geometries already existing in the scene are | represented however correctly. | | 2) As soon as the "not visible VRML-Scene" was loaded, | the navigation supplies the following mistake : | | [ VRML file attached & available here: ] | http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0210&L=java3d-interest&P=47822 ~~ Problems ~~ with the 'new' Xj3d VRML Loaders ~~~ SOLVED ~~~ with the 'old' VRML Loaders: ------------------------------------------ http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0210&L=java3d-interest&P=44213 Well, it works great with the 'old' VRML Loaders from Sun as you can see I've tried it and it ran perfectly. Justin Couch of Yumetech wrote: | | > There were many many question about | > loading animation data from a ___ vrml ___ file. | > | > i want to load simple motion data ( position and rotation key data) | > by using Xj3d loader. | | Since our interpolator implementation does | not have any Java3D code at all, | you'll never find the Java3D node, which is | ___ not really helpful to you at all.___ | | ... we don't even give you access to the | raw high-level VRML Scene that we create so | | it looks like ___ you're stuffed ___ at the moment. | | That definitely looks like an oversight on | our part as I'm sure some people would | like that access, so I'll fix that for | our next dev release. | http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0209&L=java3d-interest&P=9298 in reply to: http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A3=ind0209&L=java3d-interest &P=165405&E=2&B=------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C254FE.EE15FD00&T=text/html Well ... No. He's not "stuffed". He could use the Sun VRML Loaders. He can load & run VRML animations with the Sun VRML Loaders. I've done it with VRML files ( BiPed ) exported from 3dstudio Max. I've animated _ these VRML files _ : http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/shout3d/models/StudioMax_Biped.wrl http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/shout3d/models/H-Anim/nancy_H-Anim_x3d.wrl http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/shout3d/models/H-Anim/darts_animation_VRML.wrl as You can see them here: http://home.rochester.rr.com/javajava/media/darts_animation_movie.mov http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/H-Anim_Avatars.html http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/java3d_and_vrml.html He's not "stuffed", he was mislead, manipulated, and maltreated. Alan Hudson ( Giles ) of Yumetech.com wrote: | Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 ... | Sender: Java 3D interest list | From: Alan Hudson < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | Subject: ... How To ... Render VRML with ... with Sun's VRML Loaders | | | P. Flavin wrote: | | > | > | > Well, No. | > | > That is not the only way to load VRML ( .wrl ) files. | > | > You can use code Sun created, it works well, in a browser, | > and out, from local and remote files on the web, and you | > can load files from a command line, a list box, or using | > a pop-up [ dialog ] file box ( when it's run as an application ). | > | | ... Yes, you can use the original Sun code. | | But it does not work well, | is not spec compliant and | is unsupported. | | The code works fine as a geometry loader, | but more then that and you really are stretching | its limits. | | Paul will try to convince you otherwise, | but thats ______ his fantasy. _____ | | -- Alan Hudson, President: Yumetech, Inc. http://www.yumetech.com | | Web3D Open Source Chair http://www.web3d.org/TaskGroups/source/ | | http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0210&L=java3d-interest&P=22788 No, No, No, No, No, No, No, but __ Thank You __ for trying. I guess the " Couch - Beitler Flame War " continues. The Truth is with my code I can -- as I have said -- animate VRML based H-Anim Avatars with Gesture Animations triggered by mouse events on VRML Sensors in Netscape, Mozilla, and Micosoft Internet Explorer and access both local files from the command line or file dialog pop up box, and access remote ( web ) data files, reading, rendering, and writing VRML with the Sun VRML Loaders. If you've tried and failed, I'm sorry. Neither the old VRML Loaders from Sun nor your new ones are fully spec compliant is my understanding, and I have not, and will not, claim the Sun VRML Loaders are fully spec compliant --- unless they are -- and they are not fully spec compliant. Some have tried and failed to animate H-Anim Avatars with the Sun VRML Loader's and have claimed that their failures *** PROVES *** no one can achieve success. Obviously one person's failure doesn't imply others will also fail, and to assert that is the case is un-wise, un-proffesional, un-ethical, and dishonest Most of the NIST stuff seems to revolve around the old-style plug-in VRML Viewers from Russia, Korea & Germany and they don't use the more modern, more object-oriented, more portable, and more secure method of using the Sun VRML Loaders which work reliably in a browser, in a safe & secure environment. Please notice the Sun VRML Loaders can animate : - US NSF Finger Spelling H-Anim Avatar with Touch Sensors - US NIST CIM Worker - US Navy Post Graduate School 'Navy Warfighter' AllenDutton.wrl - US Navy shark2.wrl ( from Lt. Don Brutzman's work with the ----------- 'old' VRML loaders for Java3d ) as seen above and here : VRML animation: the Modern Way vs. the Old Way ( the NIST method ) ----------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/sc_manufacturing_simulation.jpg http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/java3d_and_vrml.html http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/games_with_java3d.html ( note: above VRML files may have been modified ) Justin Couch of Yumetech.com wrote: | | > | > which I have used ( very happily ) since January, 2000 ... | > | > Java3d & H-Anim VRML with PROTOs, Interpolators, Sensors, ... | | | Hey, what sort of crack are you on ? | ----------------------------------- | | That codebase didn't even support protos let alone H-anim. | | ... You're bullshitting again. | | http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0106&L=java3d-interest&P=R31475 | [ Rick Goldberg wrote ] > This is false. | [ Rick Goldberg wrote ] > | [ Rick Goldberg wrote ] > The code did support protos | [ Rick Goldberg wrote ] > before you touched it. | [ Rick Goldberg wrote ] > | [ Rick Goldberg wrote ] > Scripting support was by the letter | [ Rick Goldberg wrote ] > of the law, and highly functional. | | [ Justin Couch wrote ] That's crap. ... | [ Justin Couch wrote ] | [ Justin Couch wrote ] I'm relying purely on reports from Alan | [ Justin Couch wrote ] about what did and didn't work. | http://www.web3d.org/TaskGroups/source/hypermail/2001/0589.html Wow, no Justin, wrong again. Just because guys working with governemnt funding from the US Navy PGS, NIST, the National Science Foundation and the Prentice Hall authors tried & failed to animate Web3d.org's H-Anim Avatars with the Sun VRML Loaders ... does _ NOT _ mean others could not succeed where __YOU__ failed. --------------------------------------------------------------- Others have triumphed ... where you failed. ------------------------------------------ Those receiving US Taxpayers Funds through the US Navy Post Graduate School should cease & desist from making false claims related to their government contracts. Lt. Don Brutzman ( US Navy PGS ) ~~~ PLEASE ~~~ REPLY ~~~ ---------------- Don, is it True or False that the Sun VRML Loaders ( that you helped develop ) cannot be used to animate at least some VRML files that comply with ______ the Web3d.org H-Anim Avatar standard ____ ______ ( where you are member of the board ) ____ without using Crack Cocaine, as Justin Couch has suggested ? Are Justin Couch and Alan Hudson of Yumetech working on a goverment contract from US Navy Post Graduates school, or the US Navy MOVES Institute and making false and / or misleading statments with your knowledge, consent, cooperation and complicity while working with you at the Web3d.org ... where you are a Member of the Board ? | Web3d ... Current Board of Directors 2002-2003 ... | ---------------------------------------------- | | | Don Brutzman - [EMAIL PROTECTED], Associate Professor | | - Naval Postgraduate School, USA ... | | Alan Hudson - [EMAIL PROTECTED], President - Yumetech Inc. | | Sandy Ressler - [EMAIL PROTECTED], Computer Specialist | | - National Institute of Standards and Technology, USA | http://web3d.org/aboutus/bod.htm http://www.yumetech.com/company/clients.html http://www.yumetech.com/company/images/MOVES-logo.jpg Someone is writing something that is not true: either someone from Sun or Yumetech has posted a false statement. Don, some informative comments from you with intelligence & integrity ---- would be useful here with respect to the VRML Loaders that you worked on, that were given to to Web3d.org by Sun. The professionals at the NSF, NIST, & US Navy PGS seem to believe that because the Great Australian programmer tried and failed to animate the Web3d H-Anim Avatars with the Sun VRML Loaders, that his failure PROVES that no American programmer could succeed where the Great Australian Failed, despite physical evidence to the contrary. I respectfully submit that is absurd and astoundingly unprofessional. Is there anyone with intelligence & integrity at the NSF, NIST, US Navy PGS, or Prentice Hall ? While Sun has announced they will be laying off employees, the people of the National Science Foundationn, NIST & US NPGS have betrayed their profesional responsibilities and harmed those of us working hard, honestly, and successfully on animating VRML with Java to attain our goal of reliable, portable and safe 3d animation on the Web. VRML - Web3d H-Anim Avatars Animated with the Sun VRML Loaders -------------------------------------------------------- http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/java3d_and_vrml.html -- Paul, Java Developer & Web Animator (Java & VRML) ----------------------------------------------------- "Imaging the Imagined: Modeling with Math & a Keyboard" =========================================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA3D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help".
