>From what I've seen recently (and tried myself) there are a lot of problems with hardware support under the current java3d. Are there _ANY_ cards that actually work?!!? On a different tack for the hardware support, I found a thing called GLDirect from scitech software (see http://www.scitechsoft.com/gldirect.html ) which uses DirectX 6 to provide opengl support with just about any 3d card. Unfortunatley it dies horribly with Java3d 8-( Tim Morley ===================================================================== To subscribe/unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Java 3D Home Page: http://java.sun.com/products/java-media/3D/