All due nastyness to apple is deserved - they certainly haven't received their fair share of rightful abuse by the IT community, but, a little reality check:
On windows, and on linux, there is no java at all. It has to be installed separately. This is supremely annoying. There are odds the linux user has e.g. debian/ubuntu openjdk-6 installed, and on windows there's a chance that the manufacturer has shipped an auto-updating JDK out of the box, but there's no certainty there. On macs, at least, you know there's always a java, and a well integrated, if non- standard, way to deploy. The same thing which is making java show up by default on linux (it's open sourcey goodness) opens the door for apple java, too: if you can convince a user to install soylatte, then, you're up to the very latest date. Now, sure, this is an inferior java in regards to applets and graphics - the very things the 6u10 are updating, so I'm jumping the gun a bit. Consider it a call to arms for anybody out there that knows a thing or two about Cocoa. But there's no reason why it can't happen. And the more Apple waffles on their java implementations, the more likely it becomes. So, apologies for the interruption; continue yelling at Apple. And let me add a little to the fire: It's doubleplus retarded that Apple just doesn't spill so much as a single verb about how far along they are in regards to developing new versions of the apple JVM. I get the whole: Unlike everyone else, we make the tough decisions just like that if it benefits the end product, which is fairly incompatible with pre-announcing anything. It's not worth it for such a tiny little detail that no one other than developers really care about. Just dump this stuff with the catch-all NDA on the Apple Developer Network thing. It prevents major news sources from writing about it, but it also means every developer pretty much knows but with the usual 'it's an apple rumour, so don't take it as gospel'. Sounds like a fine deal to me. On Oct 20, 1:52 pm, Jess Holle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a decision Apple has clearly made for its customers :-) > > In the consumer market, ignoring Mac OS X might not be possible, but in > a lot of realms the Mac is totally ignored due to issues like this. > > I used to use a Mac as my primary platform and gripe about this. That > was before cross-platform technologies like Java were well established, > so I didn't blame Apple -- now I do at least when it comes to Java. > [When someone writes an app against Windows APIs they were setting out > to pretend that Windows == the world, so I clearly still blame the app > vendor if they don't bother to port at that point.] > > That said, Apple recently released Java 6 Update 7 (only for their newer > boxes, of course), so if you only care about the "up to date" portion of > Apple's market Update 10 /may/ not be all that far off. Cute thing is > you'll never ever know until it is out as Apple couldn't possibly give > developers any clue as to what to expect from them -- such consideration > is not part of Apple's "style". > > -- > Jess Holle > > Neil Bartlett wrote: > > Bear in mind that relying on new features in the latest Java release > > (such as draggable applets) will mean Mac OS users won't be able to > > use your application for several years, unless you write your > > application to degrade gracefully where those features are not > > present. > > > Rgds > > Neil > > > On Oct 19, 6:28 pm, Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> It would look like Java 6 Update 10 is finally out, which is great > >> news for us, since we're trying to use draggable applets for one of > >> our projects. > > >> However, it doesn't look like they've made the JRE really easy to find > >> for non-technical consumers yet. Hopefully that'll follow shortly. > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "The Java Posse" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en > > -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~-- --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
