For the most part, Java 5 class files contain metadata indicating much 
of what the source file indicated as far as generics are concerned.  
This is certainly the case for field/method/class declarations.  I'm not 
sure about local variable declarations, though.

That said, once one has something like:

    void <T extends Foo> sort( List<T> list ) { ... }

one can only determine that 'list' is parameterized by 'T', any 
extends/super constraints, etc.  The body of sort() here has no other 
notions about T -- either in the class file or at runtime.  That is 
erasure.  List<A>.class == List<B>.class == List.class.  This is 
necessary to keep the existing contracts and is a key benefit to erasure 
-- both in lack of class bloat and in preservation of existing contracts 
and compatibility.  One could potentially have a special 
Class.getGenericTypeInfos(Object) utility that could seperately lookup 
this info, e.g. by having each object refer to both its class and its 
generic typing info -- rather than to just the class.  When called by 
old, non-generic-savvy code the generic typing info would be null, of 
course.  One could have the compiler do nifty bits with such a 
getGenericTypeInfos() utility so that one could do things like "new T[]" 
in sort -- throwing a runtime exception if the typing info is not 
present.  This would be undoing erasure without blowing new/old code 
interoperability except where actually necessary.

--
Jess Holle

Christian Catchpole wrote:
> Here is my analysis of the situation.  I could be wrong.  But here
> goes..
>
> When I got my copy of Java 5 my first question was, do generics really
> take the cast out of the equation?  I disassembled the code to find
> the cast still exists.  This implies that when you compile this..
>
> HashMap<String,String> map = new HashMap<String,String>()
> String string = map.get("");
>
> The generated code actually equates to this..
>
> HashMap map = new HashMap()
> String string = (String)map.get("");
>
> The class returned by map.getClass() does not know the map only
> contains Strings.  It's actually the reference to the map which
> marshals the types.
>
> I did a quick test...
>
> HashMap<String,String> map1 = new HashMap<String,String>();
> HashMap<Date,Date> map2 = new HashMap<Date,Date>();
>
> System.out.println(map1.getClass() == map2.getClass());
>
> true
>
> They use the same class and can't therefore hold the type information
> for both declarations.
>
> I can only assume this re-compiler the posse were talking about, scans
> the code for the actual cast / type check to determine the types.
>
>
> >
>
>   


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