Hi James,

I actually did get that from the conversations between everyone, I
think the message is clear here, there is a lot to this (naturally) so
finding a place to start i.e. parsing, is where ill be starting my
journey.

On Jan 13, 3:29 pm, James Iry <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sorry about giving the wrong impression. My point wasn't that you need
> to pile up a bunch of theory to do what you want to do.  My point was
> just that parsing is 1/10th to 1/100th of the effort of building a
> compiler so all the focus on ANTLR, et al was over-emphasizing the
> wrong part.  How you learn this stuff - by book, by experimentation,
> or (most likely) both - is a separate issue.
>
> Syntax is the UI to your language.  As such, it IS important.  But
> it's still just UI - just like any program you need to give some
> thought to what the language does before you can put an interface on
> it.  And unlike the complexities of, say, graphical user interfaces,
> language grammars are deliberately very simple things.
>
> It's not uncommon to start with a bonehead simple syntax, say
> something based on S expressions (think Lisp) while you explore
> semantic issues, code generation issues, etc.  Once you have a solid
> base figured out it's actually pretty easy to reskin your language (at
> least it is if you've kept semantic and syntactic issues cleanly
> separated).  Or, you might even decide that S expressions are perfect
> for your goals.
>
> By all means, start playing with parser generators if that's what
> interests you.  Just remember there's plenty more depth to plumb.
>
> On Jan 11, 6:25 pm, Kram <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Thanks James, your are right, a lot of the conversations were on
> > parsing, and like you said, its been done. but thats a good thing in
> > my situation as I do not really know anything yet and parsing is a
> > great way to get started and familiar with different ideas and
> > concepts.
>
> > Those books you mentioned I have added to my wish list on amazon and
> > will have a go at them in due time, thanks for the advice.
>
> > RogerV,  could you please explain a little more on the "lazy-man
> > approach" that you mentioned?
>
> > Thanks all for the help so far, I also think i'll be joining that
> > google-group too!
>
> > Cheers,
> > Mark
>
> > On Jan 9, 1:03 am, James Iry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I'm a little late to this conversation.
>
> > > For some reason, all the responses have been about parsing.  Parsing
> > > is the easiest problem related to languages - a zillion man hours of
> > > research have made it a "solved" problem.  ANTLR, Rats, Scala's parser
> > > combinators, whatever.  There are reasons to prefer one over the
> > > other, but in the end whichever route you go the mechanics are all
> > > pretty easy.
>
> > > The part that does semantic analysis and optimization and code
> > > generation - that's the fun part.
>
> > > Fortunately, there are plenty of great books on compilers.
>
> > > This one is a classic, but IMHO goes too deep in some areas for a
> > > first compiler book while simultaneously ignoring many modern compiler
> > > techniques (at least in the older edition I own).  Still, it's a
> > > classic for a 
> > > reason:http://www.amazon.com/Compilers-Principles-Techniques-Tools-2nd/dp/03...
>
> > > This one is in Java, but probably needs supplementary material if you
> > > want to move beyond the compiler he presents (again, at least in the
> > > edition I own).  On the plus side it's a very easy read, especially as
> > > compared to the previous 
> > > one:http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Compiler-Implementation-Andrew-Appel/dp/...
>
> > > This one is also in Java and gets a lot of rave reviews, but I've
> > > never read 
> > > it:http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Language-Processors-Java-Interprete...
>
> > > If you're targeting the JVM, there's a google group devoted to
> > > discussing the design and implementation of languages for the 
> > > JVM:http://groups.google.com/group/jvm-languages
>
> > > Somebody else mentioned Lambda the Ultimate.  It's a great resource,
> > > but we (I'm a contributing editor) generally don't discuss basic how-
> > > to kinds of issues.  Be sure to search the site and read the FAQ
> > > before posting.
>
> > > On Jan 8, 2:13 am, Kram <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Thanks Jan for the advice, I will definitely go ahead and start on
> > > > that trail.
>
> > > > I too appreciate the thinness of books, and also when they get strait
> > > > to the point and skip the bloating that can occur in many text
> > > > books...
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