Do you have any specific criticisms about the language? What features  
do you find confusing or annoying? We are always looking for ways to  
improve it.

- Josh

On May 5, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Ed wrote:

>
> Why is JavaFX such an extreme departure from Java?  At least Flex has
> ActionScript and MXML--something that anyone reading this list can
> figure out without having to look up and strain to grok.
>
> I am trying, really trying, to get into JavaFX but I just cannot
> tolerate it's ugliness.  JavaFX has to be the single most unintuitive
> language to come out since COBOL.  I mean really...can you be serious?
>
> I know that on one of the recent podcasts the posse was in agreement
> that JavaFX was going to be the future of desktop Java but I
> respectfully disagree.  There is just no possible way any sizable
> group of critical mass will ever adopt JavaFX.  As with any
> technology, there will be 'pockets of users' but the whole reason we
> came over to Java from C++ was for the elegance and safety of Java.
> The write once redevelop everywhere fantasy has been painful for the
> past 15 years; Java is just now coming of age where we can actually
> write something once and get the rest for free.  Why did Sun, now
> Oracle, ever let JavaFX out of the lab?
>
> JavaFX will do more harm than good for Java; the most JavaFX will do
> is make people consider Flex, and or Silverlight all that much more.
>
> What's so wrong with Swing anyway, why can't we just rev Swing and
> Java3D?
>
> I can see Groovy (or substitute your favorite JVM language Scala,
> Clojure...etc here) breaking out with an elegant/terse wrapper around
> the Swing, Java2D, Java3D primitives long...long before JavaFX ever
> gets past the demo experiment that it is.  Oracle should bury JavaFX
> as fast as it can.
>
> That said the JavaFX 'rendering engine' is awesome.  Just awesome.  If
> you haven't yet tried it you are missing something truly great.
> Oracle should roll the JavaFX engine into a standard Java7 library.  I
> think JavaFX is the right idea it just needs (come on guys) a
> realistic scripting language behind it.
>
> I know I have been hard on JavaFX, I have I hopes for the future of
> Java and I strongly believe Java needs something like JavaFX going
> forward.  Great job to those who worked on JavaFX--as a developer I
> know how much work it must have taken--it was a necessary first step
> in a much needed direction.
>
> Overall I give JavaFX a 'B-'
>
> -
> ed
> >


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