Did anyone hear read 'blink' by Malcolm Gladwell?  The crux of the book is
that there are a number of 'snap decision' or 'gut reactions' people have,
can't
explain why, but are nonetheless born out as correct
predictions/assessments.
I'm reminded of that in the JavaFX discussion.

JavaFX can tick off all the right checkboxes with respect to technology,
and has groups of people saying all the right stuff, yet a number of people
(and I largely fall in this camp myself) are still saying 'no'.  Or 'ick'.
Or 'wtf?'.

People asking for followups about "what specifically is wrong?  we can't
fix anything without specifics" are, in our camp's view, somewhat barking
up the wrong tree.  You can't "fix" it because the whole thing is 'wrong'.
Yes, subjective terms, I know.  Tweaking it with some functionality
enhancements or adding some new feature really isn't going to change
people's minds too much, at least in the short term.

Not sure what else is going on with other languages, but the Griffon
team has done a great job in building an environment for doing
Swing app development with Groovy.

I went to revisit the demo page for javafx just now.  Why aren't the
security
certificates signed with a trusted root certificate?

Not sure what the OP meant by 'ugly' but I'll throw out that just trying to
watch the streaming video demo was painful.  Video disappeared when I
scrolled.  Playback was choppy.  Video quality was OK, but not quite as
sharp as I remember silverlight or flex video playback being.  I may be
misremembering here, and I know that flash/flex can have some truly awful
video as well - it's not perfect.  Perhaps I'm not using the latest and
greatest Java?

java version "1.6.0_07"
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_07-b06-153)
Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 1.6.0_07-b06-57, mixed mode)



On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Neil Bartlett <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> I don't see any actual arguments here about what is wrong with JavaFX.
>
> Actually it seems to be the JavaFX Script language that you have a
> problem with, not the platform or libraries etc. So, aside from "ugly"
> and "unintuitive" (which are highly subjective), why exactly do you
> think there is "just no possible way any sizable (sic) group of
> critical mass will ever adopt JavaFX"? Isn't that what they said about
> Java? And Ruby, and Python, and...
>
>
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