> > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Reinier Zwitserloot <[email protected]> > To: The Java Posse <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:28:14 PM > Subject: [The Java Posse] Re: Sun (Oracle) needs to take over dev of Java on > Mac (security vulnerability) > > > Another point we've raised time and time again is that this problem no > longer exists, as of now. When apple lagged on java 1.6, Landon Fuller > (the same landon fuller that blogged about the vulnerability!) built > soylatte. That's what OpenJDK is buying us. I'm sort of hoping that > apple will publically shirk its JVM responsibilities so we can all > just move on and make soylatte the standard; I'd love for some OS X > coder to step up to the plate and integrate awt into soylatte so that > you no longer need X11 running to use gui apps on mac os x with > soylatte.
But isn't that the crux of the matter? What Landon Fuller did is fantastic, but, by his own admission, replacing X11 AWT with Cocoa or whatever it is, is the toughest bit. Maybe someone will do it, now that there's this threat on the radar, but I think most people are either just not gonna bother or uninstall or turn off whatever Java they do find on their OSX system. We're talking about average consumers, not developers. > On May 21, 4:54 pm, Jess Holle <[email protected]> wrote: > > We've been through this before. > > > > Java on OS X /has /a steward -- albeit a less than an ideal one -- and > > not much market share. > > > > Without Sun Java on Linux, Solaris, and Windows would not have had a > > steward. Solaris is Sun's own baby and Windows' market share is /huge/. > > > > Given Sun's obvious financial limitations there's no way one could > > justify doing the Java for the Mac under the circumstances. > > > > Essentially buying into Mac is buying into Apple as the steward and > > controller of /everything /on your computer -- for better and for > > worse. Microsoft plays the same role for Windows *but* Windows' market > > share is so huge that wherever possible most every problem gets tackled > > by someone other than Microsoft on that platform. Unfortunately for > > those using Windows, that's not possible for the OS itself, of course -- > > you're stuck with Windows. On the Mac, however, the space is small > > enough that other parties don't necessarily step in to tackle various > > problems in the space at all. > > > > -- > > Jess Holle > > > > P.S. I'd sooner see Sun do a Java for AIX so I wouldn't have to deal > > with IBM's JVM than see them do a Java for the Mac. If Sun had infinite > > money, it would be great to see them do both -- but no one has infinite > > money and thus I don't see Sun doing JVMs for either AIX or Mac OS X. > > > > [email protected] wrote: > > >http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/code/macosx/CVE-2008-5353.20090519.html > > > > > It's apparent that Apple is not a good steward of Java on OS X. They > > > lag on releases, and lag on security fixes. Why is it that Sun > > > implements Java on Linux, Solaris, Windows, but not OS X? > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
