This is incorrect. There are over a billion installations of Java on cellphones. Google has made J2ME based clients before Android and continues to do so. If you want to hit more than 5% of the market you have to use Java.
On Jul 1, 2009, at 5:24 AM, Casper Bang wrote: > > I'm surprised I haven't heard Dick complain about Google Earth, Picasa > etc. not being written to run on the JVM. It's particular interesting > that for these popular applications, Google actually prefers to pour > money into Wine rather than implement in Java. And on the mobile, Java > was never as popular (forget Gosling/Schwartz gazillion evangelism) as > now with Android. > > In other words, something must be wrong with the JVM as soon as we are > out of a server context. In that perspective, why should users and > developers care about not having a genuine JVM in the middle of their > Oreo? > > /Casper > > On 1 Jul., 05:19, Michael Neale <[email protected]> wrote: >> In ep 262 (the one where Dick's BS detector when crazy) - I got the >> impression that Dick was asserting that Google are being evil (for a >> few reasons, such as ignoring the community, not giving enough back >> etc) - Joe called it business. >> >> I have no affiliation with Google, and its kind of wierd that I feel >> obliged to defend something that doesn't need my help (!) - but I >> thought it was a bit unfair. >> >> On the contribution side, Google are one of the largest contributors >> to open source (some have said they are not the largest by some >> measures) - now that a lot of open source free for all at Sun may >> stop >> under Oracle (at least where it makes commercial sense to stop), >> Google is even more important for open source as a whole (not just >> Java open source) so they should be encouraged. They contribute to >> lots of projects, they originate some excellent ones, they >> increasingly want to open things (like wave) where it makes sense. >> And >> on top of that, they provide lots of support and hosting of events >> (and they ALWAYS cater wonderfully) - if there is a Google office in >> your sydney - they probably would love to help out your community. >> They also provide gainful employment to Sun refugees to allow them to >> continue their great work ;) >> >> On the community side: yes I pick up there is a bit of aloofness- but >> there is no ill intent, its just that there are individuals in the >> communities that happen to be employed by google. Also, and there is >> no nice way to say this, but in a popular language/platform as java, >> the community does tend to be more "average" - this can "cramp their >> style" so to speak - eg Andoid is what JME could/should have been, >> and >> so on... Design by committee isn't great for innovation in general. >> >> What I can assume was the real beef, is the slipping away from the >> one >> true vision of the "write once run anywhere" vision of Java, and >> using >> the JVM everywhere to achieve that. And I guess that is a problem, I >> don't know if its a good or bad thing. It is what it is. In the java >> community, I think there has been a lot of mediocrity tolerated in >> order to get the lowest common denominator for portability. And >> despite what people say, portability is excellent now, and has been >> for a long long time. I think the tech community doesn't remember the >> bad old days of platforms that had nothing in common and it wasn't >> easy to migrate. But some people are tired of this mediocrity, and >> just want to get cool things done - and I guess compromises are being >> made. > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
