If we broaden the term "application" wide enough we could include a 
couple of games written in Java, with Freecol being the most impressive 
IMO. But since they are mostly turn-based strategy the overlap of the 
audience with the developer crowd will be significant ;-)

One of the main aspects holding Java back on the desktop is the 
sometimes poor integration with the desktop environment. Not just the 
look and feel question, but also notification messages, listening to 
file changes, getting user settings, figuring out if we are working 
online at the moment, and so on. Add to that Swing's mostly accidental 
complexity and you can see why people are looking for alternatives.

It's mostly not Java that fails, it's Swing. Although an issue were Java 
fails is the lack of properties. Ask Joe how important they are for GUI 
development :-)

Did anyone ever try Jambi?

  Peter


Massimo wrote:
> On Jul 19, 8:30 pm, Steve <[email protected]> wrote:
>   
>> I'm not aware of a single java desktop app that is not developer
>> focused that would be considered mainstream on linux. However as you
>> point out below, Mono has several that would be considered best of
>> breed in their domain.
>>     
>
> I'd agree with the first statement and disagree with the second.
>
> There is tons of software being developed today, but most of that is a
> web app, a bundled system or device app, or some kind of niche or
> custom use app.
>
> The amount of add-on mainstream Linux desktop software projects is
> very small and almost none of that is done in Java or Mono.
>
> F-Spot is a mainstream desktop Linux app built with Mono, but other
> than that, I haven't seen anything else. I know about stuff like
> MonoDevelop, Tomboy, Tasque, and dozens of others, but those are like
> the dozen Java apps that fcassia08 mentioned: niche use or novelty
> type stuff.
>
> >
>   



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