I was NOT suggesting that the various other languages you mentioned aren't worth investigating. I was only suggesting that their mere existence does not mean java should stop evolving. I was also attempting to insinuate that Scala/Groovy/etc fanboys saying that java should stop getting new features need to stuff a sock in it. It's annoying. Shut up.
On Jul 25, 4:34 am, Josh Suereth <[email protected]> wrote: > Actually it was called the Scala LiftOff <http://www.scalaliftoff.com>. > > There comes a point where no matter how much momentum you try to gather on a > language, it has slowed progress to the point where breakthrough change > occurs elsewhere. I love java. It's provided me with a living. However I > don't see anyway to change it to keep it competitive with newer languages > *in all the spaces it's used currently*. We still use C++. C is still > used as well. Until things like > Singularity<http://arstechnica.com/software/news/2008/03/singularity-microsofts-r...>(an > OS that doesn't quite use C) become more commonplace, I see C/C++ > sticking around for a while in the areas iin which C/C++ is well suited. > > Java should still evolve, but its use may become more limited in scope like > C++. I think the writing is on the wall, but it's not a bad thing for Java > programmers, nor should the language stop evolving. However Java has > already solidified into a language for the most part, and certain changes > are just not feasible given its community/constraints. JavaFX > Script/Groovy/Scala/Clojure/JRuby, they all show that the JVM is a big > playland for languages. Java doesn't have to stay king for the JVM to > succeed. > > I definitely think these new languages (especially Scala) have shown that > Java may not stick around as *the* general purpose language on the JVM. > JavaFX Script really shows of some powerful features for UI development, and > will in all likelyhood push Java (and maybe others) out of that space. > Scala is showing lots of promise for general-purpose / server development. > It has a lot of the niceties that place Java above others currently, but > with many more features. Groovy is taking steam from java in the > Web-Development front. Grails is a very nice web-framework built on solid > java technology. Groovy also has other areas it could start encroaching > from java. Hopefully you see the trend, but it continues with the other > languages. > > Anyway, if it's not Scala, then something like it will start to push scala > out of the general purpose/server development front. > > - Josh > > > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Augusto <[email protected]> wrote: > > > What, you missed the highly popular ScalaOne in San Francisco? Where > > have you been man? > > > On Jul 24, 7:01 pm, Reinier Zwitserloot <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I think your scala hobbying is leaking through a bit too much, Dick. > > > > Okay, scala might be an interesting take on a future java. In what > > > possible universe does this mean 'let's just leave java as is and do > > > no more work on it' is the appropriate thing to do? You yourself > > > compared java to C++ which is still adding major new features, and > > > it's got a loooong headstart on java. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
