The article (citing Ubuntu's Shuttleworth and Debian's Murdoch) specifically talks about nobody stepping up to work on Eclipse packages, evidently because more applications revolve around the Mono than the Java stack. This would appear to hold true, certainly you all struggle with coming up with real world Java desktop applications - while oddly enough having no trouble coming up with a greater list of Mono applications.
You make ironic jokes about "Java is very slow" and "You have to write the UI in C" in an effort to distract and avoiding searching for a real answer to the question. Yet ironically, the few places where the Java desktop DID succeed (i.e. Vuze) it was with SWT - a native/C UI layer taking the same approach as they do in Mono. The article also concludes that MonoDevelop feature-wise is still inferior to NetBeans and Eclipse, which we all know is the case. What propels you into "don't know what they are smoking" and related defense mechanisms? Moonlight is not at the Silverlight 1.0 point, it's officially at 1.9.5 which is a superset of Silverlight 2.0. And it already comes with codec's donated by Microsoft, the upcoming 2.0 beta will even have H.264 support, something that seems like a long shot for JavaFX but you never really covered. On a related note, Microsoft is providing Mono with test suites which is more than what Harmony has been able to get for over 2 years now from Sun. The attraction of Mono is that it's an easy-to-grok-yet-powerful language that also excels at inter-operating with the rest of the system. Linux applications typically make heavy use of other de-facto libraries and tools, that's one major mismatch with Java, which insists on doing everything but often ends up doing nothing really well (loop back to the previous SWT point). While Mono will always lack behind Microsoft's latest ISO/ECMA push, at the same time it will always be ahead of Java so that's a rather mood point often invoked by Java zealots. Microsoft just as any other company has an agenda and stockholders to cater to, hell I want to see my own pension blossom too. Can't we just all get along and focus on the technology, we are engineers after all and not priests right? And if you really do want to cover these things, do it properly by inviting a guest who actually knows something about it and who can explain why Java has a hard time getting a foothold. The world is not black and white and who knows, you might learn something by lowering the fence and actually talk to the neighbor you have so much in common with. /Casper On 26 Jul., 18:38, CKoerner <[email protected]> wrote: > To avoid hi-jack of my thread, here is Dicks comments for replying > > 1. Dick Wall : > Incidentally, I was willing to give Microsoft the benefit of the > doubt > with regards to the code contribution and was pleasantly surprised. > In > the days since it appears that they contributed back to avoid a GPL > violation though. Not wrong, but not the altruism we were led to > believe initially. Microsoft has a long pattern of attacking linux > (Linux is a cancer anyone) so is it any surprise I am not exactly > their biggest fan. If they really want to make a good contribution, > how about the video codecs Moonlight needs to be on an even footing? > > 2. Dick Wall : > Casper, can you elaborate on what you thought the FUD was? Sure - we > ramble a lot and opinions are by their nature subjective, but what do > you believe was FUD (which generally I take to mean lies?). Was it > the > ISO story? I think we had most of the broad facts right about that > one > even if we had to look up the details. Certainly there are enough > irregularities around that whole thing to be suspicious. Was it > something else? It's all well and good to wave the FUD flag around, > but how can we have a discussion if you don't call anything out > specifically? > Dick --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
