Silverlight CANNOT work. Neither can flash. Or javaFX. OR anything else. The reason is simple: Mobile Safari has no plugin interface whatsoever. Even if there was some sort of ObjectiveC-based RIA, it won't work on mobile safari.
So, whatever is going to happen, is going to have to happen via apple. Either they design a plugin interface for mobile safari (unlikely in the extreme - the iPhone OS works on the granularity level of 'app'. Things like 'drivers' are also being introduced via the appstore (you can interface with stuff in the iPhone port, such as with a blood sugar level meter). Furthermore, the iPhone is designed to run 1 app at a time, and no more. Even an embedded youtube video, which is baked in, doesn't play. You tap the video still, and then your iPhone actually quits safari, launches the video player, and when you're done with it, quits video player and launches safari again, which picks up right where you left off. The iPhone DOES have support for custom URLs which fire up apps instead, and you could use this to offer a link to: Start flash/javafx/ silverlight/whatever app, but that would have to start the flash app, which would have to download the flash file, and run it. It is currently against the apple terms of service to have an app in the app store that is capable of running other apps. Hence, Joshua Marinacchi is entirely correct: Silverlight is IMPOSSIBLE on the iPhone without either (A) jailbreaking or (B) apple changing the rules. On Sep 14, 4:50 pm, Casper Bang <[email protected]> wrote: > Oh ok. Well I donno how much is involved from this to actually having > Silverlight work, but it appears to be a good first step and they > generally move at an immense speed over there. It's also interesting > to see that the Mono bridge samples take about half the code size as > their Obj-C counterparts. > > I never considered an iPhone because of the countless handcuffs, but > this bridge actually means one could develop applications on Linux and > Windows:http://monotouch.net/Tutorials/MonoDevelop_HelloWorld > > I'll interpret your answer as if you don't have a team trying to get > JavaFX up and running on the iPhone. > > /Casper > > On 14 Sep., 16:36, Joshua Marinacci <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > You said the "first browser RIA plugin to be supported on the iPhone". > > I'm saying that what they are doing won't make it happen. > > > Yes, it's possible to build a pure Java app that you can install on > > non-hacked iPhones. Like Mono it involves generating an ugly blob of > > Objective C code which is then compiled using the native toolkit. You > > are still essentially writing Objective C code and you must code > > against the Cocoa apis, you are just doing it with a different language. > > > I'm not saying what they are doing is bad or not a good idea. The > > ability to write OpenGL games for the iPhone in your preferred > > language is awesome. I just don't want anyone to think we are minutes > > away from viewing Flash, Sliverlight, or JavaFX enhanced webpages on > > an iPhone. > > > -j > > > On Sep 14, 2009, at 7:28 AM, Casper Bang wrote: > > > > Ehh... Mobile Safari? Anyway it is a declared goal of the Mono guys to > > > eventually offer Silverligt on the iPhone. Do you plan on offering > > > JavaFX there? > > > > /Casper > > > > On 14 Sep., 14:16, Joshua Marinacci <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Cross compiling your language into Objective C (which is what all of > > >> these iPhone solutions do, even the Java one (yes, there is one)) is > > >> light years away from creating a browser plugin for Mobile Safari. > > > >> On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:17 AM, Casper Bang wrote: > > > >>> Why the grain of salt? For a while now Novell has been running a > > >>> closed beta test program for .NET development on the iPhone: > > >>>http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Aug-03.html > > > >>> Anyway, the primary reason why you don't see Java on the iPhone is > > >>> that you are simply not allowed by Apple to run a JIT. C# was > > >>> designed > > >>> to always be compiled, Java was not. Mono already took advantage of > > >>> this in the past in order to run on a multitude of devices (Wii > > >>> etc.) > > >>> so the compiler can emit statically optimized code just like a C > > >>> compiler would do. I believe there are some attempts at bringing > > >>> Java > > >>> there, but the big difference is that Mono does not require a > > >>> jailbreak whereas Java does which also means developers can > > >>> publish C# > > >>> applications in the app store. This probably also means that the > > >>> first > > >>> browser RIA plugin to be supported by iPhone will be Silverlight. > > > >>> /Casper > > > >>> On 14 Sep., 12:25, JavaSnake <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> I know that such news from InfoWorld should be taken with a gain > > >>>> off > > >>>> salt... but here goes: > > >>>> InfoWorld reports that "Novell on Monday will offer a kit for > > >>>> developers to build Apple iPhone and iPod Touch business > > >>>> applications > > >>>> using Microsoft's .Net Framework instead of the Apple-designated > > >>>> C or > > >>>> Objective-C languages." > > >>>> -http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/iphone-gets-net-app-develo > > >>>> ... > > > >>>> What is the status of developing with Java for the IPhone? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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