So, the fact that the US rubberstamped this deal means the EU is somehow at fault for doing some more thorough research before giving the green light?
I reiterate what I've been saying in other threads as well: Trusting US financial decisions has cost the EU a couple trillion. Expecting them to blindly follow suit is ludicrous. Undoubtedly the EU is partly to blame for how they are managing the PR fallout. However, misunderstanding Open Source? Past EU activities indicate they understand open source quite well, so I doubt that's the issue here. The world wide database market obviously includes databases backed by corporate support contracts. That market *IS* going to lose 1 player here, and a fairly unique one at that, even if MySQL-the-source-code lives on as an untouchable open source base. Oracle's statement is just dripping with belligerent attitude. This is not a company willing to work towards a result; this is a company that wants to turn this into a political game, trying to rile up the troops to bludgeon the EU into complying. The EU is (in my opinion entirely correctly) not willing to set a precedent and give in to such shenanigans. As far as I know, Oracle still hasn't responded to the EU's requests for information in a meaningful fashion, which is presumably holding up the deal. Nothing released in the past week has given me any indication that the fundamentals have changed, and thus I still lay the blame for this debacle squarely on Oracle's doorstep. On Nov 10, 9:28 am, Casper Bang <[email protected]> wrote: > Couldn't it also be flipped around, taking the view that the US marked > and economy is in such bad shape that it has lowered the > scrutinization margin substantially in an effort to avoid fueling the > spiral? Unless we have real hard evidence of harassment from the EU, I > think Oracle ought to simply comply with their demands - something > they apparently have not taken too seriously given various reports. > And really, is anyone really convinced by the vague material Oracle > released to Sun customers? It sounded like even our Posse GOF weren't. > > /Casper > > On Nov 10, 9:02 am, Fabrizio Giudici <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > [email protected] wrote: > > > I don't actually think that the EU is trying to kill off Sun. > > > > I think they are a clueless lot though. And I think blocking the > > > merger will REDUCE competition as Sun and MySQL would both be damaged. > > > The thing has been discussed also in previous threads, but the links you > > posted gave a bit more information (IMHO). One of the central points of > > the debate is why the US anti-trust gave green light and, on the > > contrary, EU has got objections. It has been argued that they have got > > different ways to look at market, competitions, etc... and the US > > antitrust is less concerned in a product being killed. On an abstract > > basis, this could be even true since clearly US and EU are grounded on > > different cultures. But this doesn't sound the case, as in one of the > > posted articles there's the statement that US anti trust concluded that > > the buy doesn't pose risks to the future of MySQL. So they were > > concerned, investigated and concluded that there are no issues. Now, one > > would be curious in knowing in which details of the thing the EU thinks > > the situation is different. This is not having different care of > > competition, but getting to different conclusions starting from the same > > analysis. > > > -- > > Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager > > Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere." > > weblogs.java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici -www.tidalwave.it/people > > [email protected] --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
