-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 8/1/10 20:30 , Kevin Wright wrote: > On 1 August 2010 14:15, Fabrizio Giudici > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Now, I can't be sure that Victor will always work for me. If at a > certain point he decides > > to leave, he'll carry with him his Scala skills and he'll be able > to > > spend them wherever he likes. Instead, I'm left alone. Victor is > sure > > that what's planning for himself in a medium/long perspective can > be > > achieved (unless he wins the Bingo and retires); I can't because a > > perspective of one year might be jeopardized by the fact that > Victor > > might be leaving me earlier. > > > I must admit that this response genuinely scares me, though I also > hope that I might be able to persuade you with an alternate > perspective > > The problem here is that your phrasing could well be interpreted > as: "I like to keep my developers slightly under-skilled, while > they're dumb and dependent they won't be so marketable and they're > less likely to walk out on me" > > This does NOT sound like the recipe for a happy workplace. In > fact, it sounds like somewhere I'd want to leave ASAP. It's the > kind of self perpetuating logic that, originally motivated by high > turnover, causes enact policies that will just cause turnover to > *remain* high > > And yet, there is a way out of this mess.... Study after study has > show us that being productive and the feeling of "just getting > stuff done" is a far, far better motivator than any bonus scheme > you care to mention. Offering such an environment will help with > both attracting and retaining talent, and a willingness to use > Scala is just one way to do so. > > You argue in terms of possible costs to the business by not > sticking strictly to Java, but have you ever paused to consider the > opportunity cost of NOT recognising other languages? What will you > do when developers start leaving you to pursue roles with firms > that *will* allow them to use Scala? > There is a big misunderstanding in this thread. You don't have to persuade __me__ - I'm just impersonating the average employer out there (I mean, I'm not an employer, any longer, since in that role I found myself always in a minority, because I don't think like that; in order to work as I like, I had to go the freelance way). This is how the world goes, unfortunately.
In any case, the average attitude for what concerns the last question is: they'll just hire a new Java developer. Figure it out: just a few days ago a guy complained on a JUG mailing list because he's got an attitude at ever improving himself (BTW, we was just talking of _patterns_) and for this reason he's mobbed all the time at work... In the recent past, I've found myself teaching and mentoring better development processes in some large corporates.The thing turned out to be interesting, and exciting, for some groups of people. Usually the thing first grows a lot, with people eager to learn and apply the new things; and after some months it gets killed by a upper level manager, because other groups are just disturbed by the perturbation of the usual grey job, where nothing works but in the end nobody has got a clear responsibility of a failure. That's how medium / large corporates operate, in my experience. Of course, people can fly away, but realities where people work well are a tiny fraction of the whole world. That's life. - -- Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere." java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people [email protected] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxVwccACgkQeDweFqgUGxdvcwCghyQrR11R3HdOrr7vno0PaX0k RuwAoIZpx/ytEYu58VLw3/hosRXg/Saq =LSGt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
