On 23 November 2010 17:38, Josh Berry <[email protected]> wrote:

> 2010/11/23 Cédric Beust ♔ <[email protected]>:
> > I just don't understand why so many people enjoy doing by hand things
> that
> > can be 100% automated.
> > No matter how productive you are writing Java with a text editor, you
> will
> > become *more* productive with an IDE.
>
> Having seen some amazing things done with just vim, I don't know as
> that I can believe this.  I do feel that I am much better at exploring
> an API with an IDE than I am by hand, but actual coding work is
> something I feel rather conflicted about.  Seems moving more of the
> knowledge into my head and mental model of what I'm doing helps more
> than having an IDE that tries to do that for me.  (This is akin to
> having a word processor that will "auto correct" for me.  That would
> be good if I wasn't a touch typist, but typically all it does is cause
> confusion when I am not backspacing over what I know I typed.)
>
> Of course, at the risk of this being a language battle thread, I don't
> understand why so many people are fine having something automated that
> could be flat out removed.  :)  It is amusing how often I hear "the
> IDE does that for me" as a defense for any of the incredibly verbose
> parts of a language.
>
>

Well, quite...

If you use refactoring to deal with massive great heaps of duplication, then
is the problem with file-level editors *really* the absence of refactoring
support?

I'm just playing devil's advocate of course, I actually rather like IDEs
myself.

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