I don't see the big deal. I've seen all sorts of code that I wonder how people ever got it to work. Some messes are actually impressive in that way.
His point was that the power of the language is not the problem, it's the coding practices. The notion that Java being a very constrained language prevents people from creating messes is flawed. I don't completely buy this btw, but the point has some merit. 2011/3/22 Kevin Wright <[email protected]> > > > 2011/3/22 Cédric Beust ♔ <[email protected]> > >> >> >> 2011/3/22 Kevin Wright <[email protected]> >> >>> I'll leave you with a great snippet from Glen Vanderberg: >>>>> http://www.vanderburg.org/blog/Software/Development/sharp_and_blunt.rdoc >>>> >>>> >>>> That's a horrifyingly condescending quote making fun of people who >>>> actually ship software. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Why, do you genuinely believe that Java prevents anyone from ever writing >>> bad code by removing access to capabilities that would allow some people to >>> write better code? >>> >> >> I can't even begin to understand how your response has anything to do with >> the observation I made about this quote. >> >> I expressed my concern that you like a quote calling programmers who ship >> software and who don't give up "weak". >> > > Okay, so I read that as: > > *"the developers had managed to wrestle these monstrous designs over the > finish line. The sheer dogged determination it took to do so was impressive > and horrifying. I would have given up [on such designs] in despair long > before."* > > > With "weak" developers being those who are set in their ways, and don't > change tactics even though they can see they're experiencing problems. > > If you were to interpret that statement as "*I would have given up [on the > overall project]*", then we're in complete agreement. It *is* > condescending when read that way. > > >> If anything, knowing that this guy would have given up long ago is what >> makes him weak in my eyes. Obviously, his attitude and condescension over >> others would be enough to put him instantly on my "no hire" list. >> >> -- >> Cédric >> >> >> > > > -- > Kevin Wright > > gtalk / msn : [email protected] > <[email protected]>mail: [email protected] > vibe / skype: kev.lee.wright > quora: http://www.quora.com/Kevin-Wright > twitter: @thecoda > > "My point today is that, if we wish to count lines of code, we should not > regard them as "lines produced" but as "lines spent": the current > conventional wisdom is so foolish as to book that count on the wrong side of > the ledger" ~ Dijkstra > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
