No doubt, it goes on. I just don't understand it. Alexey
________________________________ From: Chris Phelps <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 2:23:04 PM Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Object Oriented Programming is out of the CMU Computer Science Introductory Curriculum What makes you think science is not full of personal allegiance, politics, and paradigm wars? A friend of mine is a professor in a scientific field, and he's constantly dealing with these kinds of issues derailing new findings and new interpretations. Chris On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Alexey Zinger <[email protected]> wrote: This seems like such a strange thing. We're talking about computer science and engineering, not exactly liberal arts stuff. I understand that many of us feel passionate about technology, mathematical elegance and all of that, but the moment I start to take sides in a "paradigm war" on the basis of personal allegiance to some thought camp rather than pragmatism is the moment I should lose all credibility and "exit the battlefield". > > Alexey > > > > > ________________________________ From: Russel Winder <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Cc: Alan Kent <[email protected]> >Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 1:05:24 PM >Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Object Oriented Programming is out of the >CMU >Computer Science Introductory Curriculum > >On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 20:22 -0700, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote: >[ . . . ] >> >> It looks like whoever made that decision has a pretty big chip on >> their shoulder and it's pretty clear from that sentence alone that >> students going to his/her class will get a pretty incomplete and >> biased picture. >[ . . . ] >> > >I think we can see fallout from the 1980s. Then it was Imperative vs. >Declarative but rather than coming to any sane resolution, the battle >evolved into Functional vs Object-oriented. Of course C was what people >who weren't using Pascal, Fortran, Ada, Modula-2, Smalltalk, etc. were >using and thus C++ became the poster child of object-orientation. Which >in itself is a bit strange as the object-oriented of C++ wasn't the >object-oriented that the object-oriented folk were fighting for! > >In the UK, successive governments have over the last 20 years tried to >destroy the university system. Most of the quality >imperative-supporting programmers/teachers left for sensible work--life >balance and salaries, leaving a much higher percentage of >declarative/functional-supporting folk in academia. These people >remember the 1980s and are now going in for the final victory of the >Paradigm Wars. Looks like something analogous is happening in the USA. > >Did you fight in the Paradigm Wars? > >-- >Russel. >============================================================================= >Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:[email protected] >41 Buckmaster Road m: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: [email protected] >London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder > > -- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The >Java Posse" group. >To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >[email protected]. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
